Posted on 05/08/2009 3:35:50 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
So too are common knowledge items like the worldwide Illuminati cabal, Johnson's role in the Kennedy Assassination, Bush's complicity with Halliburton in the illegal war in Iraq, the cabal of Joooooooos who control banking and Hollywood, mind-control rays from HAARP, and so forth.
All of these things are also "common knowledge."
To you they're the same.. but to people that know the source of both they are not.. Being ignorant does not make you a bad guy..
You wrote:
“A potato famine is hardly equivilant to fleeing because to stay would mean death for you and your children because of your Christian faith...”
The English allowed the Catholics to starve to death. They often would only give food to those who abandoned the Catholic faith.
As is well known to anyone who investigates...
“Many Protestants regarded the potato failure as ‘punishment for the prevalence of popery’ and was ‘the main motivation to rescue the people from the darkness of popery and priestcraft and to bring them to the pure light of the gospel’ 3 . The Northern Whig in January 1847 referred to the famine as ‘the present favourable crisis’ which provided an opportunity ‘for conveying the light of the Gospels to the darkened minds of the Roman Catholic peasantry’ 4 . One evangelical group likened Irish Catholics to the people of Israel who underwent a famine because ‘they lacked the knowledge of God - they were superstitious and idolatrous … (the same) consequent wickedness of Ireland, are the cause of its misfortunes’ 5 . In a petition to the English PM Lord John Russell, they pressed for the withholding of relief which, they opined, would ‘support the existence of popery’ and would encourage degradation, misery and vice. Rather than provide food, clothing and shelter, every cabin in Ireland should be provided with ‘the word of God’.”
That’s right. The Protestants were more than happy to let the poor Catholics of Ireland - who long suffered under ruthless Protestant oppression in their own land - to starve to death rather than receive aid!!!
Here’s a lovelt gem:
“William Carleton, a leading member of the Protestant community in Connaught, in 1847 epitomised this God-sent explanation for the famine: ‘We feel that the people must die off … and it is not the first landlord I have heard say as much. This is a blessed famine, God be praised.’ (Bold emphasis my own )14”
A blessed famine? Yep, the Protestants wanted the Catholics to starve to death in the millions if at all possible!!!
http://homepage.eircom.net/~archaeology/two/famine.htm
The English allowed the Catholics to starve to death. They often would only give food to those who abandoned the Catholic faith.
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They also put the Irish Catholics in leaky boats in the pretence of letting them immigrate to the US...
But I was talking about the French Protestants...
Having a Bible or being suspected of being a Protestant was grounds for death at the stake etc..
You are parsing and looking weak.. as you should I suppose..
They are NOT equivalent. The potato famine was real.
Vlad is guilty of no schism. He is Catholic.
The Protestants are, if they are baptised in the Trinitarian formula. But their sects are not.
What do you mean by "prove?"
Proof by truth or mere half-truth?
A mistranslated Bible is not a bible.
Since I’m not ignorant, I know I’m not a bad guy.
There many who believe the Protocols but not Foxe. To them, your logic is perfect too.
Wrong, but perfect to them.
Every christian is a catholic.. meaning member of the universal church.. The Roman Catholic Church is merely a denomination.. You seem to be obfuscating.. "the universal church" with the Roman Catholic Church.. The RCC is a schism.. as are Baptists..
I never said the potato famine was not real...
The persecution and ,murders of Franch protestants went on for over a hundred years 100, of 1,000s were murdered...
More fled...
Because 200,000 fled in the 1680s, many of them nobility, when the French revolution occurred there were few middle class and nobility left to stick up for the king and queen and nobility who were beheaded...
In fact the Revolution might never have even happened if the Church had not murdered and driven out the Huguenots..
There was few to protect the king...
and few to protect the Church...
You wrote:
“Thank you...I’ll accept that as a ...YES having a Bible was a capital crime according to the Church..Punishable by death...”
You poor ill-informed person. What makes you think that possession of a book on the Index led to a death sentence? Remember, the Catholic Church had no authority to put men to death. If a sentence of death was carried out, it was carried out by the state. What secular state put men to death for a violation of the Church’s Index? Can you name that state?
This is exactly the sort of thing that makes me wonder if anti-Catholic Protestants can think. It’s as if anti-Catholics had parents who fed them lead paint chips. Why would anyone think that a violation of the Index was a death sentence and who carried out that death sentence? Also, a matter of a few posts ago we were talking about the Middle Ages and now we’re talking about the Index which did not even exist in the Middle Ages!!!
The Index was created only in 1559. If the proper authority for enforcement of the Index was the Roman Inquisition, then how many people were executed after a Roman inquisition trial for violating the Index? Anyone at all?
The only punishment ever attached to a violation of the Index was excommunication. There was no death penalty of violating the Index.
Baptists(most protestants) do not believe that baptism regenerates(saves) you..
Do Roman Catholic's believe a baptism ceremony "saves" you?..
You wrote:
“But I was talking about the French Protestants...”
And I was talking about the Irish Catholics. So what? What does either group have to do with your fantasies over the Church killing people over Bibles? Answer: nothing.
“Having a Bible or being suspected of being a Protestant was grounds for death at the stake etc..”
Nope. Being suspected of something might have led to an examination but in itself couldn’t lead to anything else. Also, your original nonsensical claims are clearly disproved by your complete lack of corroborating evidence. After all of these posts you’ve posted ZERO evidence.
I don’t know about Roman Catholics, as I’ve never been to Rome.
Nor should you, as it WAS real. The rest of your post stands in contrast.
You wrote:
“You are parsing and looking weak.. as you should I suppose..”
No, Im looking rational and logical. Unlike you, I do not claim one thing is another when it is not. I do not confuse a regional council about the Albigensians with the teachings of an ecumenical council for the whole Church. You have.
Good..
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