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No-Cross Protocol ["New" Mormon tradition]
Mormon Coffee ^ | May 18, 2009 | Sharon Lindbloom

Posted on 06/13/2009 9:38:29 AM PDT by Ottofire

No-Cross Protocol

May 18, 2009

By Sharon Lindbloom

“It’s no accident that Mormon steeples, temples and necks are free of Christian crosses.

“LDS leaders long have said the cross, so ubiquitous among traditional Christians, symbolizes Jesus’ death, while Mormons worship the risen Christ.”

So begins a recent article in the Salt Lake Tribune (Mormons and the cross).

This interesting article by Peggy Fletcher Stack takes a look at the newly completed master’s thesis, “The Development of the LDS Church’s Attitude Toward the Cross,” by Michael Reed. According to the Salt Lake Tribune,

“[The] Mormon aversion to the cross is a relatively recent development in LDS history, prompted in part by anti-Catholic sentiments.

“‘It first started at the grass-roots level around the turn of the 20th century,’ Michael Reed argues…

“‘It later became institutionalized during the 1950s under the direction of LDS Prophet David O. McKay.’”

Mormon scholar Bob Rees explains further,

“At one time there was an informal acceptance of [the cross] as an overt symbol, but in the 20th century its use has been discouraged by church leaders. Wanting to maintain its distinctive identity among Christian churches, the church essentially rejected outward manifestations of the cross, one of the most compelling symbols in all of Christendom…”

Apparently, crosses were at one time somewhat popular among Mormons, the symbol appearing on early LDS buildings, documents, and members (in the form of jewelry). But the LDS Church’s opposition to Catholicism won out in the middle of the 20th century.

Beginning in the 1920s when then-Apostle David O. McKay became frustrated over the lack of success in converting Catholics to Mormonism, and continuing into the 1930s when LDS leaders (including McKay) believed a Catholic Bishop in Utah was trying to convert Mormons, McKay’s vexation with Catholicism finally came to a head with his 1953 identification of the Catholic Church as one of the “two great anti-Christs in the world” (the second being Communism).

According to the Salt Lake Tribune, in 1957, by then the President of the LDS Church, David O. McKay

“established the LDS Church’s no-cross protocol, saying it was not proper for LDS girls to wear it on their jewelry, saying the cross is ‘purely Catholic.’”

Actually, the Cross of Christ is purely biblical, purely Christian.

The Apostle Paul wrote,

“May it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.” (Galatians 6:14)

Christian pastor John Piper explains,

“Only boast in the cross of Jesus Christ. It is a single idea. A single goal. A single passion. Only boast in the cross. The word can be translated ‘exult in’ or ‘rejoice in.’ Only exult in the cross of Christ. Only rejoice in the cross of Christ. Paul says let this be your single passion, your single boast and joy and exultation. In this great moment called ONE DAY let the ONE THING that you love, the one thing that you cherish, the one thing that you rejoice in and exult over be the cross of Jesus Christ…

“…for redeemed sinners, every good thing — indeed every bad thing that God turns for good — was obtained for us by the cross of Christ. Apart from the death of Christ, sinners get nothing but judgment. Apart from the cross of Christ, there is only condemnation. Therefore everything that you enjoy in Christ — as a Christian, as a person who trusts Christ — is owing to the death of Christ. And all your rejoicing in all things should therefore be a rejoicing in the cross where all your blessings were purchased for you at the cost of the death of the Son of God, Jesus Christ” (Boasting Only in the Cross).

Mormons don’t choose to use the Cross as a religious symbol. Instead they choose sunstones, CTR rings and representations of a heralding angel to symbolize their distinctive faith.

Nevertheless, be it a method of execution, be it jewelry worn by rap stars, be it misused as a flaming sign of racism, the Cross ever remains for Christians our symbol of hope and peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.



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To: Ottofire

Your response to me was very loving. Others were not so. I saw another religion thread which warned about dissent. Any open thread should have that included.

Ephesians 4:14-16 (New American Standard Bible)

14 As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;

15 but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ,

16 from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.


41 posted on 06/14/2009 7:43:11 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: Ottofire

Here it is. It is the first post included in the next thread right after this one under religion. :)

Open threads are a town square. Antagonism though not encouraged, should be expected

Posters may argue for or against beliefs of any kind. They may tear down other’s beliefs. They may ridicule.

On all threads, but particularly “open” threads, posters must never “make it personal.” Reading minds and attributing motives are forms of “making it personal.” Making a thread “about” another Freeper is “making it personal.”

When in doubt, review your use of the pronoun “you” before hitting “enter.”

Like the Smoky Backroom, the conversation may be offensive to some.

Thin-skinned posters will be booted from “open” threads because in the town square, they are the disrupters.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~religionmoderator/

Thin-skinned (emotional, whiney or mercurial temper) posters are the disruptors on open threads.


42 posted on 06/14/2009 7:45:58 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: MHGinTN

I really get tired of personal attacks from some flack that thinks he is “saved”.


44 posted on 06/14/2009 11:19:26 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Blessed be the Peacemaker.)
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To: Old Mountain man

Leave the thread.


45 posted on 06/14/2009 11:21:14 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Ottofire
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46 posted on 06/14/2009 6:06:33 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (All the boxes are gone: soapbox, ballot box, jury box, bullet box. History of the future with Obama.)
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To: GreyMountainReagan
Do you believe you are cursed of God like you belive Mormons are?

MORMONs are not cursed: they are DECEIVED.

JS is CURSED!

47 posted on 06/14/2009 7:46:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GreyMountainReagan
You do realize that when you don’t post Mormon sources and it is just your own opinion you have tendencies that led to slaughter?

I DO??

Please; point some out for me!

48 posted on 06/14/2009 7:47:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Mountain man

Old Mountain man;
Leave the thread.

OUCH!


49 posted on 06/14/2009 7:49:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I did.


50 posted on 06/14/2009 8:14:12 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: GreyMountainReagan
I did.
 
 
 
To: Ottofire
“It’s no accident that Mormon steeples, temples and necks are free of Christian crosses.


14 posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 9:15:32 PM by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

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Sometimes I say things and later I regret them. Perhpas that might apply here. Just a thought.
 
25 posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:35:30 AM by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)

To: Elsie
LC. Exactly like your inappropriate attempt to portray Mormons as vampires and blood suckers, Present day Nazi's and Muslims still portray the Jews as blood suckers that eat other peoples children.

Your post is in this company.

Communications similar to yours was a contributor to the culture that directly led to the slaughter of million.

Although the Nazi government was not Christian, the German people as a whole were. Repeated exposure to vile communication like your example desensitized them until they became willing participants in the murder of people different than themselves.

If you would have had Jewish neighbors, and lived in Germany in 1935, what would you have done to them?

What would you do if they come to murder your Mormon neighbors?

Seriously, ask yourself.

From this post it makes me wonder.

26 posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:49:36 AM by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)

 
 
First off; you make a wrong ASSUMPTION.   I 'portray' MORMONS as having an AVERSION, to the CROSS,  'similar' to Count Dracula, "“It’s no accident that Mormon steeples, temples and necks are free of Christian crosses. "
 
Then, you try to build a STRAWMAN that I have NAZI tendancies.
 
Then, you want ME to self-analyze myself to see if your assumption is right.
 
As you've noticed, I don't tend to follow down into the Rabbit Hole very easily.
 

 
Homey don't play dat!
 
 
 

 

 
   Homey don't play dat!
 

52 posted on 06/15/2009 4:38:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AmericanArchConservative
Post # 21 utilizes the pronoun ‘you’ four times, and ‘your’ once in three short sentences to help effect that mean edge and accusatory tone.

But...

Have you been compared to LETTERMAN?

53 posted on 06/15/2009 4:39:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

HMMmmm...

The table wrapped up the responses ok in PREVIEW...


54 posted on 06/15/2009 4:41:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Sorry, I misunderstood.

I thought when your picture showed a vampire you meant similar to a vampire.


55 posted on 06/15/2009 6:13:55 AM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: Elsie

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Blood letting....


56 posted on 06/15/2009 6:55:41 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: AmericanArchConservative

He is no longer on this thread. Your post and his at 21 will be removed.


57 posted on 06/15/2009 7:50:14 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Elsie

LOL! (I think)

Well, no - not at any time in the last 28 years.

I have pondered (this last week) how much I would enjoy punching David Letterman solidly on his nose, and telling him to shut his ugly mouth the next time he thinks of including a 14 year old girl as the objectified subject of a crude sexually oriented “joke”...

Does that count for anything?

A.A.C.


58 posted on 06/15/2009 10:36:22 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: Religion Moderator
 
He is no longer on this thread. Your post and his at 21 will be removed.
 
 


16. Ministry Of Truth

.......

The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.

The Ministsry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.

The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.

Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.

When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.

In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.

As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconsicious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.

In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.

There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.

And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.


; ^ )

59 posted on 06/15/2009 2:22:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AmericanArchConservative
Does that count for anything?

Yes!

It shows you to be a HATEFUL Bigot who stalks COMEDIANS and fail to laugh at them!

--AndyKaufmanWannabe(I might still be alive)

60 posted on 06/15/2009 2:24:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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