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Muslim modesty: Head coverings a symbol of faith or oppression? (Mormon Times Article)OPEN
Mormon Times ^ | March 22, 2010 | Nicole Warburton

Posted on 03/22/2010 2:46:52 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

Muslim modesty: Head coverings a symbol of faith or oppression?

By Nicole Warburton

Deseret News
Published: 2009-08-22 00:54:18

It is probably one of the most visible and controversial symbols of Islam.

Westerners often view the hijab, or head covering, worn by Muslim women as oppressive. Even among members of the Islamic faith, it is subject of debate.

How should it be worn?

Does it need to be worn?

Is it a choice or requirement?

In recent months, the hijab and other forms of Islamic coverings have come under scrutiny in the media and by politicians. In June, French president Nicolas Sarkozy suggested women who completely cover their faces by wearing burqas are silent prisoners and that the practice is a "debasement of women."

Those comments have translated into debate over why Muslim women cover at all.

For Maysa Kergaye, coordinator of the Utah Islamic Speakers Bureau, the reason to veil is simple: It's a requirement of the Islamic religion. Beyond that, it is something that serves as a reminder of her beliefs and a "shield" to help protect her from doing the wrong things and being in the wrong place.

Kergaye said she does not feel diminished as result of wearing her hijab.

"Islam actually came and liberated women," she said. "It said they are equal and should not be viewed as a piece of meat. They're humans. They are individuals who do not have to sell their body. They should use their brains."

The tradition of women veiling their heads has been around for centuries, even among early Christians, according to Frank Griffel, professor of Islamic Studies at Yale University. The rules for its use among members of the Islamic faith can be found in Sura 24 of the Quran, where both men and women are told to guard their modesty.

In regard to women, it reads: "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms." The rest of the scripture clarifies that women only need to cover in front of males who are not family.

Because the verses are not explicit, there are a few Muslims who believe modesty does not require covering, however, religious text clarifies it beyond any doubt, according to Kergaye. Some cultures are more liberal, while others have more conservative methods of dress and types of headscarves.

But in the United States, where Muslims are a clear minority, there are challenges to wearing something as visible as the hijab, according to Sarah Ahmad, a junior at Weber State University and former president of the WSU Muslim Student Association.

She has heard stories of women getting turned down for jobs as result of their head covering. And Ahmad believes people view Muslims who cover their heads differently than if they don't cover.

She currently does not wear a head covering but wants to in the future. She is worried she would experience prejudice.

"I feel that it is something that would add a whole new complexity to what I do," said Ahmad, who grew up in Brigham City. "I question myself if I am ready to do that."

But she doesn't view the covering as oppressive. In fact, her sister Maryam, who is 17, said her parents have encouraged her to wait until she is 18 years old to cover because they don't want people to think she is being forced to do it.

"I know Muslim women in the West, we think it's insulting for people to assume we are forced to wear it," Maryam said. "We don't want people to assume we have no free will. It is our decision."

In her view, wearing a hijab is a way to actually help women focus more on themselves versus outward physical appearance.

People are also more likely to judge a Muslim woman on character versus looks if she dresses modestly, said Maryam.

"Society wants women to have shiny hair, to be thin and have nice skin," she said. "You see teen girls bingeing and throwing up food, suffering from self-esteem issues and I always wonder how that is not a form of oppression."

Jen'nan Read, associate professor of sociology and global health at Duke University, said she believes one of the reasons people have misconceptions about Muslims in the U.S. is because there are so few members of the faith here to fight the myths.

Oftentimes, the only information people have is from the news, where stories frequently run about women who are oppressed as result of cultural practices, not the Islamic faith, Read said.

"The religion has been linked with terrorism and with gender roles," she said. "We all compartmentalize and I think for the average person it is easy to immediately jump to the wrong conclusion."

From her perspective, the key to removing prejudices is for more contact between Muslims and non-Muslims. And in fact, women such as the Ahmad sisters and Kergaye encourage questions.

"Many people have the wrong idea of Islam," said Kergaye. "I'd rather answer a question than have someone go on having the wrong understanding."


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To: greyfoxx39
"Islam actually came and liberated women," she said. "It said they are equal and should not be viewed as a piece of meat. They're humans. They are individuals who do not have to sell their body. They should use their brains."

I guess she never read the Koran then.

But IF it's true, someone needs to tell the muzzie men about that. They don't appear to have gotten the message.

21 posted on 03/22/2010 3:23:38 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Tennessee Nana; SkyDancer; T Minus Four

Mormon women had veils they wore during part of the Temple ceremonies. And they were buried with them of course.


22 posted on 03/22/2010 3:27:11 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

I think that’s the veil the husband puts over the face of his deceased wife ....


23 posted on 03/22/2010 3:28:39 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: SkyDancer

It can, but it doesn’t have to be anymore. There are several variable that can affect that but a husband is the first choice, iirc.


24 posted on 03/22/2010 3:31:54 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: greyfoxx39

When I was in grad school, muslim women in gradschool that I interacted with would choose a logical compromise. They wore what I called the “jackie onassis getup”.

Big dark glasses and a sheer headscarf.

Seemed pretty intelligent choice to me. They get to keep their muslim modesty while still feeling westernized.


25 posted on 03/22/2010 3:37:58 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: reaganaut

So it’s the husband who will resurrect the wife after he is. No wonder they’re so scared .... what an insane cult LDS is.


26 posted on 03/22/2010 3:38:29 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: greyfoxx39

If the muslim in question is a cracker, it’s a sign of oppression. If she is a person of color, it is a beautiful reminder of the gorgeous mosaic of humanity.


27 posted on 03/22/2010 3:39:40 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hinneh, 'Anokhi sholeach lakhem 'et 'Eliyyah HaNavi'; lifney bo' yom HaShem hagadol vehanora'!)
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To: SkyDancer

I trust Mormons more - they haven’t killed anyone in more than 150 years.


28 posted on 03/22/2010 3:41:43 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: SkyDancer

So it’s the husband who will resurrect the wife after he is.

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Yes, the husband will pull the wife ‘through the veil’, which is also part of the temple ceremony.


29 posted on 03/22/2010 3:41:45 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: tbw2; SkyDancer

I trust Mormons more - they haven’t killed anyone in more than 150 years.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Brigham Young has only been dead for 130 years...


30 posted on 03/22/2010 3:44:07 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: tbw2

I trust Mormons more - they haven’t killed anyone in more than 150 years.

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RIIIIGHHHTTT.


31 posted on 03/22/2010 3:45:45 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Tennessee Nana

Doesn’t matter - neither have the Baptists or Catholics or Presbyterians ... but I digress. Whenever you kill/murder in the name of G-d I bet He’ll be a bit testy with you .... “YOU DID WHAT IN MY NAME???!!!”


32 posted on 03/22/2010 3:46:46 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: SkyDancer

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated.

Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]

In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.
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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.
Lucy Mack Smith tells about Joey’s Tall Tales
we know Smith’s mother, Lucky Mack Smith, said about her 17 yo son, Joseph Smith, Junior


33 posted on 03/22/2010 3:48:44 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: tbw2

I trust Mormons more - they haven’t killed anyone in more than 150 years.
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How did that mormons aligning with Nazi Germany against the Jews work out ???

Just 60 through 75 years ago ???


34 posted on 03/22/2010 3:51:44 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SkyDancer
Mormon men put a veil over the face of their dead wife in their coffins. At the resurrection (according to LDS belief) the man is resurrected first and >then< they remove the veil off the wife’s face and she’s resurrected. That’s why Mormon women will hold on to their husband no matter what ... no veil removal, no resurrection.

Not true.

We believe that every person who has lived and died -- man, woman, or child -- will be resurrected. It is a free and unconditional gift from God, and cannot be withheld by anyone else.

35 posted on 03/22/2010 4:16:54 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: SkyDancer

Mormon men put a veil over the face of their dead wife in their coffins. At the resurrection (according to LDS belief) the man is resurrected first and >then< they remove the veil off the wife’s face and she’s resurrected. That’s why Mormon women will hold on to their husband no matter what ... no veil removal, no resurrection.
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Yes theres lots of mormon litertature aboput the wife being called out of her grave by her husband..

If he doesnt want to call her she just stays in the grave...

actually shes better off just staying in her grave...

In the mormon after life she woulod only be a sex slave in a mormon harem...


36 posted on 03/22/2010 4:28:26 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Logophile

Not true as the LDS religion states? If you’re LDS you might want to check your “sacred books” ...


37 posted on 03/22/2010 4:38:52 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: SkyDancer
Not true as the LDS religion states? If you’re LDS you might want to check your “sacred books” ...

I am LDS, and I am fairly well acquainted with our standard works (the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price). I have not found in them any hint that a man can determine whether his wife is resurrected.

If you have found such a doctrine in the LDS scriptures, please provide a reference.

38 posted on 03/22/2010 4:47:55 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: Tennessee Nana

I did not know that.


39 posted on 03/22/2010 4:50:26 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: Logophile

I don’t want to bore everyone here with a complete posting of the temple ritual of marriage which then gets into the resurrection part so here’s a good start. Read the paragraph halfway down.

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/resurrectwife.htm


40 posted on 03/22/2010 5:00:26 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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