Posted on 07/02/2010 4:43:38 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
Well known and admired 108 year old Rabbi reveals the Messiah's name!
INDEED.
THX THX.
Sister, that is one I cannot answer, but it is written. I believe that both Isaiah and Ezekiel mention animal sacrifice in the millennium, and I think that Ezekiel is more descriptive. Perhaps the animal sacrifice is a form other than for sin. Perhaps our Jewish FRiends could enlighten us as to which offerings would apply once sin is out of the picture.
I here it said that Ezekiel confounds our Jewish friends, as the ceremonial/sacrifice is somehow different than what is their norm, so I think the whole thing is up-for-grabs, and we must wait for it to be revealed.
I do know that at least three of the high Holy days will be instituted, which is what is driving me to look back to what is true. And the Sabbath was instituted FOREVER... Another very important difference from what I have been taught.
The day will come, says the LORD, when I will do for Israel and Judah all the good that I have promised them. 15 At that time I will bring to the throne of David a righteous descendant, and I will do what is just and right throughout the land.
Jeremiah 33: 14-15
I think I have read Animal Sacrafices will be for *Thanksgiving to G-D* in the Millenial Age...I still don’t understand why? maybe we are not suppose to understand..Maybe G-D loves animals and wants them in heaven
?:) but again I don’t know why that practice will continue..
And Yes I do believe we will still learn about G-D from Torah as ZC and Blaster1960 state but maybe that is a work in Progrss to acheive the ultimate rewards in the levels of the *Divine Realm*
Okay lets talk it..
First of all...animal sacrifice is is only for UNINTENTIONAL sins....there are a handfull of exceptions.
Blood sacrifice is NOT REQUIRED.
Lev 5:11 But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering. 12Then shall he bring it to the priest, and the priest shall take his handful of it, even a memorial thereof, and burn it on the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the LORD: it is a sin offering.
The idea of blood ONLY is a Christian invention.
Furthermore, most of the meat in the sacrifice is eaten by the people. It is food for all. rich and poor alike. In some cases it is only for the priests.
“without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness” (Hebrews 9:22) That is a misquotation of Lev 17:11....it doesnt say without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.....it says dont EAT the blood because the life of the animal is in the blood.
Jesus Christ also did no wrong but willingly gave Himself to die for the sins of mankind (1 Timothy 2:6). Jesus Christ took our sin upon Himself and died in our place First, G-d forbids human sacrifice.....animals only!
Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the Eternal thy God: for every abomination to the Eternal, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. [Deuteronomy 12:30-31]
God tells us that Human sacrifice is so horrible a concept to Him, that it did not even come into His mind!
Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Eternal, that this place shall no more be called Tophet, nor The Valley of the Son of Hinnom, but The Valley of Slaughter. [Jeremiah 19:4-6]
Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood. And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood. [Psalm 106:37-38]
Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter? [Ezekiel 16:20]
And yet we are to then turn around and believe that God changed His mind, and required human sacrifice, and then it was the sacrifice of His own human son that God wanted? After telling the Jews to stay away from pagan practices, and pagan beliefs, God then changes His mind and says, "Okay, now go ahead and believe in a human sacrifice, just as these very pagans believe?"
God forbids one man dying for the sins of another (vicarious atonement)
In Deuteronomy 24:16 it specifically says this:
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the father. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live
And Jesus was not perfect! He lied to the High Priests...he said he didnt teach anything in secret but many times he told people to not tell anyone what he had told them. Jesus also violated the 5th commandment when he dishonored his mother....Woman, what do I have to do with you!...And my mother and brothers...who are my mother and brothers?? There are many more sins...but for the sake of time....
So, human sacrifices are forbidden, vicarious atonement is forbidden and Jesus was not sinless. Nor was he a kosher sacrifice....he suffocated on the cross, he should of had his throat cut and died of blood loss. Jesus blood was not sprinkled on the altar and his fat and innards burned on the altar and his meat wasnt eaten. He was not a sacrifice.
INDEED.
THX THX.
May the Father forgive my poor, redneck heart... But if we are all priests in Christ, and the priests eat from their portion of the sacrifices...
Sounds like a big ol' BBQ to me, baby! Now all I have to do is figger out how to read in some NASCAR races and we'll be all set! I wonder if there will be pickup trucks... Can't go tailgatin' w/o pickup trucks :D (/faux sacrilege)
I really cannot even speculate. But I trust the Father, and I trust my Lord. It will be a time of endless joy.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
THANKS! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
LUB.
I think your assertions about God’s prohibitions against human sacrifice and extrapolating therefore that
GOD COULD NOT HAVE/WOULD NOT HAVE sacrificed
HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
for our sins is a huge pile of assumptions.
IIRC, there are cases here and there in Scripture where God reserved for Himself the freedom to do some things that he forbade humans from doing.
Regardless, ALMIGHTY GOD IS STILL ALMIGHTY GOD. HE MAKES THE RULES AND IS ALSO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE RULES.
LOL.
Zechariah 14:4 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south
Ahhh yeah, that is the JEWISH scripture you are quoting. And it wont be the Christian hybrid god-man standing on the Mt of Olives.
Both the “CATCHING AWAY” coming as well as
Yeah, that rapture thing is not going to happen either....no where in the OT does it talk about a group of believers getting beamed outta here. If it was going to happen it would be talked about there.
Methinks your assumptions about those issues are greatly flawed.
However, stand by . . . the proof will be in the pudding within our lifetime, imho.
I would prefer you to be on the winning side.
And I see the same thing in Moses' whining for God to appoint someone else to speak for Him. He made God angry and Moses and all the people ended up with an ecclesiastical body, a system of religious authorities and intermediaries (Exodus 4:10-17).
Each time they whined they were insulting God, they were saying they didn't believe Him or they didn't trust Him. Each time God was angry. And in each case He gave them what they were whining for so much so they choked on it.
It did not need to be that way.
Of course, Moses became spiritually wise and trusted God. But the people still couldn't bear to see his face, they couldn't bear even being indirectly close to God - so Moses wore a veil.
And Moses called unto them; and Aaron and all the rulers of the congregation returned unto him: and Moses talked with them. And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the LORD had spoken with him in mount Sinai. And [till] Moses had done speaking with them, he put a vail on his face. - Exodus 34:29-33
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. - Matthew 23:8-12
The tenth chapter in the Book of Isaiah provides the epilogue to the events described in Chapter 9. In these two chapters, the Prophet recounts how G-d saved King Hezekiah and his Kingdom of Judah from Sannheriv’s massive military attack. Prior to the siege on Jerusalem, the Assyrian army successfully captured and exiled most of the population of the Northern Kingdom of Israel. Now Assyria was poised to exile the people of the Kingdom of Judah, the helpless remnant of the Jewish people who so desperately needed divine intervention. By way of leading into a description of the events that lifted a nation from a state of despair to the ecstasy of a miraculous redemption; Isaiah opens up his ninth chapter with the following declaration:
Isaiah 9:1 - The people who walked in darkness, have seen a great light; those who dwell in the land of the shadow of death, light shone upon them.
When certain passages in Chapter 10 are superimposed on some passages in Chapter 9, it becomes even more evident that the passage Isaiah 9 5-6/[6-7] relates directly to G-d saving Hezekiah and his people from Sannheriv in the eighth century B.C.E.
See: http://www.messiahtruth.com/isa9.html
So this passage in Isaiah is about Hezekiah, not a future birth of Jesus.
And it wont be the Christian hybrid god-man standing on the Mt of Olives. How do you know? you even said you don’t know who it is....
Even for the sake of argument IF the person that you don’t know is the Messiah is here and he is taking the alotted time he needs to accomplish the tasks you say is required to be declared the *Messiah* you STILL won’t know who it is, unless you are still alive to be a witness to it, and by the way who is going to declare him or announce him *Messiah*
I think your insights on all that are fresh and anointed, Angel-Gal.
It is a moving thing for me to prayerfully ponder . . . and, as you may recall in the midst of one of my growing edges . . .
being TRAINED, TAUGHT, CONDITIONED the first 18-40 years or more of my life to avoid trusting any authority figure—particularly father figures as well as a list of other sorts of characters . . .
YET, NEEDING; DESPERATELY WANTING TO TRUST GOD MORE;
YET FAILING UTTERLY TO BE ABLE TO *FORCE* MYSELF TO DO SO.
VERY FRUSTRATING. SOMETIMES DESPAIRINGLY SO.
Add to that seemingly several critical experiences where I did manage to trust God way above average . . . only to hear wrong enough or mis-perceive enough that AT THE TIME, IT APPEARED THAT like all other father figures, Father God Almighty Himself couldn’t be trusted any better/more than the rest of them.
THAT HEART FEELING—regardless of how much one says it’s not true in one’s head—IS REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYY A DESPAIRING FEELING.
It is an easy thing—usually—for me to TRUST GOD WHEN IT IS EMPHATICALLY SUPER 100% CLEAR THAT HE HAS SPOKEN. HIS WRITTEN WORD IS MOSTLY a LOT easier for me to trust and justifiably so.
Though even there, because of the above sorts of life experiences and trainings from an early age . . . some of the Scriptures are easy to say YES in my head and yet doubt still in my heart. That, too is very frustrating.
IF YOU HAVE ANY HELP for such a flawed one as I, I’d greatly appreciate it.
LUB , SISTER IN THE LORD.
That interpretation, analysis
is thoroughly unconvincing.
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