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Posted on 07/06/2010 6:54:33 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
Just wondering if you would answer the question honestly, or dissemble.
Quite honestly, I have never met a Mormon who was both knowledgeable and fully honest, at least not one who was still a TBM, did meet a ‘New Order Mormon’ but his complaint was the same as mine, that the TBMs either lied or ignored or had no idea of teachings/history/doctrine.
And I still got a lot of ‘yeah...buts’ and dissembling.
I can sure understand the sentiments.
Just no other options.
Yeah, I thought that was amusing. Giving them a dose of their own medicine can be fun sometimes.
Of course!
Quite so.
FR has distracted me from a lot of pains over the years.
Cute. Love it.
Chuck Norris’d
Thanks, AMPU
Most don’t seem to know about
‘blood atonement’ where ‘someone is so evil, that they only way they can be saved is to die—and a good LDS is doing them a service to kill them.’
In the words of that Great Sage and Deep Thinker, Rodney King, “Can’t we all just get along”.
But I think that was after a baton massage.
I am going to have to try that. I am hoping next year to get my own chicks, ducks and geese and raise them.
LOL!!
INDEED. INDEED. ;)
LOL.
ARGH.
10-4
Thank you. I too love seeing the moment when someone ‘gets it’. Like a light turns on in their eyes.
My pastor once said, the first time you help lead someone to the Lord, you think “why haven’t I been doing this the whole time”. And it is true. When I best friend came to Christ a couple of years ago, I was on ‘cloud 9’ praising God for what I saw Him doing in her life for over 6 months. It was amazing.
Another "so what?" comes to us from the New Testament itself: Paul & Peter.
They were at times at odds re: how Gentiles were to be treated...should they be circumcized or not?...What about the types of food they ate?...what about the level of hospitality & open association the Jews should be showing these Gentiles in Christ?
These were all real questions of the day in the Early Church. It got to the point where the apostle Paul "opposed Peter to his face" (Gal. 2:11) over some of these issues.
To hear you tell it, you'd probably accuse both Peter & Paul (or one or the other) of being "schismatics" over these issues.
To hear you tell it, why since Peter & Paul "disagree[d] on various passages, despite the fact that their differing views on Scripture were formed honestly, through study, prayer, and meditation on God's word" -- therefore, no one, real, true position existed -- or could be interpreted -- on God's position on the matter.
Well, had you taken such a first-century commentary vantage, you would have been wrong; just like you're wrong now to be promoting your subtle Biblical relativism.
The fact is, it was over such disagreements that we get some of the most marvelous Scriptural verses we have -- verses like Gal. 2:20 + justification by faith (Gal. 2:16-21) -- which comes imbedded in a message Paul gave to his fellow Jews over these disagreements. Also, please commit Gal. 2:14 to memory over these kind of disagreeable issues in the Church: 14When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel...(Yes, Virginia r9etb, there is "the truth of the gospel" which measures our behavior!)
Here, I'll cite the passage at length:
9James, Peter and John, those reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the Jews. 10All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.
11When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
14When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15"We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' 16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.
17"If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker. 19For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
What was I not assuming? Under the weather and on heavy cold/flu meds so not tracking real well. Please explain.
What if a current Latter-day Saint says that we are taught not to lie? Because that is exactly what I am saying. In my years in the LDS church, I have been taught to tell the truth. I have never been told to "lie for the Lord," as one poster alleged. Never.
Let's be precise about what is meant by lying. A lie is an untruth told deliberately with the intent to deceive. It is not a mere misunderstanding or difference of opinion. The speaker must know that what he is saying is untrue or misleading; he must speak so as to deceive the listener.
I have met Mormons who I thought were ill-informed or naïve about Mormonism; sometimes they say things I find silly, even embarrassing. But that is a far cry from accusing them of lying about their beliefs.
The leaders said what they said, taught what they taught. It has been pointed out numerous times that that the prophet says is the final word.
The prophet does not have the final word; God does. As a Latter-day Saint, I am not obligated to agree with or defend everything that the leaders of the church have ever said. I have the right and obligation to ask God to reveal the truth to me by the power of the Holy Ghost.
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