"Catholics betrayed us. Wicked, tricksey, false. We ought to wring their filthy little necks and then we show the Harpies and we be the master."
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Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Else you’d act them out instead of blaming and shirking your responsibility to apologize."
I swear Quix is channeling Gollum.
“You have nothing else to do with your time, as your religion has assured you. sort of.”
Honey, I’m not hanging on these boards day after day after hour after hour.
Unlike you, I actually have a missionary field to minister to.
I’m happily off today and enjoying posting against non-Catholics and informing the lurkers.
Tomorrow and probably for the next two weeks, you can have the website comfy-chair mission all to yourself because I have to get back to work.
Be careful to stretch your legs and occasionally walk from kitchen to comfy-chair. We don’t want clots, do we?
*Yeah, I do care about your physical needs and I do care very much that while you may get to heaven on the bicycle, I would much rather you take the Jet.
So now your Protestant God is not omnipresent? Since we have already seen Protestants claim that He is not omniscient, and not omnipotent, and just today that St Paul speaks through the Holy Spirit I would venture to guess you are speaking about a completely different God than we Catholics.
If you don't believe comparing Quix to Robert Gibbs is an insult forget the whole thing.
PS. The above is a link.
Cronos, I read her post and have to say that I agree for the most part with what Dr. E has expressed.
It really is Catholics and Non-Catholics do not see eye to eye on many matters of the faith. Your post to me showed an overabundance of historical knowlege you have acquired Cronos, of how you see faiths thru the centuries. But then listing these was not necessary to understand the topic discussed. I say this because it seems to be the habit of several catholics.... overwhelming people with volumes of literature and history does seem to distract, and somewhere within it all discovering actually what the poster himself is thinking about all that knowledge....very difficult to find...if at all.
In other words you are telling me what all this history is, stated by authors somewhere in time....but what do you believe about these yourself and the topic discussed?
BTW I do understand enough of these other religions to make a judgement and discern what they are and what they worship.
I guess I do not see what you could disagree with ?
1 Cor 15: 1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.
2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
5and that he appeared to Peter,[b] and then to the Twelve
. 6After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep.
7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles,
The word gospel simply means good news.. does that not summarize the good news taught in the gospels?
In Jesuit philosophy it's called "Mental Reservation".
A Catholic missionary field to minister to? Honey, I’m not impressed. Just more people to mislead and deceive into thinking Rome has the answers. Maybe while taking their breaks, you can teach them how to Google non-Catholic churches, you know, just to help you on your day off adventures into FRoman Inquisitions. Wouldn’t want your fingers overworked, leading to carpal tunnel syndrome and the real danger of not being able to post your brilliant ways to break the enemy code of Church affiliation.
A man searching for a religion that has a god he likes..in other words he is just taking up space ..
I’ll pray for you. I’m not interested in your affiliation. We are twitting you and those of your grroup. We know the Protestant beliefs and those of the non-denominational groups. I’m just posting the contradictions by pulling them all together..
I’m actually interested in the those posting. While this is anonymous BBS, a bulletin board service, not even chat, there is a real spiritual dimension to this and the opposition to the Catholic Church is based mostly on what you THINK you understand, not what the Church actually is.
Have a good night and a great week.
Considering the mainly Catholic 20-30 million Latin American immigrants to the United States in the last two decades the Catholic Church has lost an alarming number of members.
The difference is clear: you whine.
Have you ever heard of the concept of projection bias ?
It’s an unconscious psychological defense mechanism where a person projects their own attributes onto others .
Pot kettle :)
"Catholics betrayed us. Wicked, tricksey, false. We ought to wring their filthy little necks and then we show the Harpies and we be the master."
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." (Eph. 6:12).
It's all a spiritual battle. And the only way to fight it is to put on the whole armour of God. Eph. 6:13-17.
Peace and grace to all who seek to do God's will.
But on Saturday, Yang and fellow parishioners at St. Vincent de Paul learned it is on a list of 21 Catholic churches around the Twin Cities metro area that the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis intend to close.
The move comes amid a drop in the number of priests, a decline in church attendance and an aging Catholic population that has migrated in large numbers to the suburbs.
http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1794029.shtml?cat=127
Ah. Pathos. Which way does the insult run, I wonder...
Thank you for your encouragement. Sorry, I couldn’t respond sooner, I was running Mom all over creation today and am wiped out. Just got home about an hour ago.
Not fully, no. It contains elements of the Gospels, certainly. It references more than it says, shall we say?
Asking for your church’s beliefs is such a big deal?
I just don’t get it. If you’re hiding something maybe, but I can’t imagine you’re hiding your church’s belief statement, it doesn’t make sense. Is there something to be ashamed of?
Maybe it is asking for something that can’t be given. Maybe there is no church they belong to or attend regularly.
Or maybe they only want to attack another church’s without having to defend their own.
It would be within your capacities to explain
The systemic Vatican rubber pseudo-'logic'
Which relentlessly
Or perhaps if it is too much of stretch to explain the Vatican rubber pseudo-'logic,'
maybe you could explain the off-the-wall
Vatican haughtiness and arrogance that would presume to engage in such a nose twisting farce as to
!!!!RELENTLESSLY!!!!
!!!!DEMAND!!!!
an apology from someone for something that person did NOT do.
Regardless, it is providing a LOT of fodder for lurker head-shaking about the typical Vatican snootiness, irrationality and the like. For that, Proddys are thankful.
BTW, this game is becoming so pathetic, I'm concerned that I could be unnecessarily contributing to the delinquency of an adult. I will likely put you back on total ignore most any time.
To review yet again . . .
I just happen to think that most of the times you post to me, the most loving response, the best thing I can do is that I should reply with
REDEMPTIVE TRUTH.
Which, in this case is . . .
I have still not observed you apologize for this brazen untruth:
MarkBsnr:
“. . . and Quix’s outspoken support for a hate document that the original poster has apologized for.”
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You may worship at the
icon to bearing false witness . . .
Proddys don’t.
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I’m not aware that you have demonstrated the least understanding of authentic ‘man-up’ actions to any significant degree in this whole situation. Actually, the record seems to speak of someone far on the opposite extreme of such a continuum . . . certainly beyond what I've observed of anyone in a very long time.
You have had abundant opportunities to act out what 'manning-up' by apologizing for a false accusation would look like--instead of blaming and shirking your responsibility to apologize.
I suspect most of us on FR are not expecting any change in that unadmirable behavior.
BTW, If you could show me, even in the Vatican rubber 'Bible' where rank hypocrisy is a fruit of Holy Spirit, I'd be grateful.
May God profoundly enlighten your walk with Him. Cheers.
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