Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Yes, it helps identify one of the consistent trash-talkers..
About the time I think utter insanity is about to flood the forum
yet again you rescue sanity from the jaws of the dragon.
THANKS ENORMOUSLY.
Part of the problem here is that you conflate certain things.
Picking up on your example regarding members of the LDS, a few years back, there was a poster named drstevej. He was a nice enough fellow. But he used to post the most awful, denigrating, mocking threads and posts about the LDS. Never attacked any individual LDS member. But the attacks on the LDS were just verminous. He had something vile to say about Mormon underwear, Mormon baptism, whatever.
He was eventually expelled from FR, and justly.
I really liked drstevej. We used to kid that he was a “nice heretic” (obviously, from a Catholic perspective).
And I shared his theological assessment of the LDS: It's a non-Christian religion. There! I said it! The LDS religion is not a Christian religion. The ontology of the LDS god[s] is so radically different from the God of Christianity that it is a different god that they worship.
I think it would be tough to say something more critical of someone’s religion than to say that someone who thought his religion is a Christian religion doesn't even actually worship the true God.
But I think I said it in a moderately-respectful way. I don't think I've mocked anyone’s beliefs, trashed what they hold sacred, denigrated their practices or beliefs in a degrading manner.
I would say to him, man, you just can't treat folks like that. You just can't drag their stuff through the dreck like that. It's not right. It's indecent. It's not in any way conducive to any kind of worthwhile conversation. It makes me think a lot less of you than I once did. AND IT'S NOT CONSERVATIVE!
Drstevej, frankly, was an embarrassment. He embarrassed me as a fellow Trinitarian. Drstevej was eventually thrown out because he just couldn't manage to stop degrading the LDS.
You're conflating theological disagreement and conversation about that disagreement with trash-talk.
Trash-talk is just as much “flame-bait” as saying, “You're a no-good dirty-rotten scoundrel of a liar!”
Trash-talk is MORE “flame-bait” than politely saying, “You're bearing false witness.”
sitetest
Maybe your "educational" efforts would be better spent on those Catholics leaving the Church who far outnumber the few "considering" entering it.
On the other hand, I doubt whether it would do any good. Never mind.
“’I try to keep my eyes on Jesus and not stare instead at Satan and his works.’
“Evidently trying harder is greatly in order.”
Always.
I didn’t realize that eye of the beholder problem
and the mirror problem
were such CHRONIC problems in the RC camp.
MANY RC’s
are AT LEAST
as ‘trashy’ re Proddys
and much more frequently with much more mean-spirited venom . . . sometimes even in thread titles.
I realize
that it’s QUITE SAINTLY when wrapped in white hankys and done by RC’s.
All of us are racially in the same boat. The problem is they think they're safe being protected by a thin veneer. The conscience is deceived into thinking that niceties are thing in itself while the heart continues to spew it's sewage.
I TOTALLY AGREE.
TOTALLY AGREE.
They seem to prefer to think they are bone china and the rest of us are terra cotta . . . when actually we’re all dug from the same muck.
There are thousands ov varying beliefs and practices among the "Catholics" of the world but one term, "Catholic", is proposed as the proper definition of this great diversity of beliefs and practices.
A dodge.
Thank you.
INDEED TO THE MAX.
SANITY HAS A CHANCE, YET AGAIN.
A dodge.
Of course there is great variation in beliefs of INDIVIDUAL Catholics, but that is the case with ANY GROUP.
However, there IS a comprehensive definition of Catholic beliefs and that is contained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
So, unless you can point to a uniform set of beliefs shared by Evangelicals or Protestants or whatever you want to call them it is not a dodge.
As I said before, with the exception (and even these vary by degrees) of the rejection of papal primacy, professed adherence to sola scriptura and rejection of Purgatory, can you list a SINGLE belief that Evangelicals or Protestants share which Catholics do not also share?
It's like The VIEW only with more voices and testosterone!
I got it.
No saying, “You are big poopy head who steals candy from babies.”
But, I can say, “The progression of watered down sins held by your Raelian sect leads to adherents falling into the pit of hell and being damned for eternity.”
or
Those who hold your beliefs are perverting the meaning of Scripture.
Good enough?
*You big poopy head, you.
I can see why you’d say that.
However, I don’t think so.
The wailing and whining etc.are mostly pretty routine and boring 2 year old mentality stuff with very little creativity or wit.
I just love this fantasy world.
Well as a Christian, I for one was upset the first time a mormon called me a “Triniterian” as though it was an “N” word..
I had never heard the slur before..
But I grew a thicker skin and went on..
As a Bible believing Christian I know that mormonism is not just another denomination of Christianity..
Nor is the belief merely an off shoot of Catholicism or Protestantism...
Just the belief in the Trinty alone separates the Christians from the Mormons..
No, Mormonism is an entirely separate religion from Christianity..
WHoops did I stand on some personal toes ???
and kill some individual sacred cows ???
Ba Ba Wa Wa could referee..
Yeah, the piles of fantasies seem to build ever higher.
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