Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Mad Dawg]

my truck

What is ownership? What color, weight, smell, taste? If I say, "That truck belongs to the proletariat as represented by the Dear Zero Obamanation," that's just an idea, right? It's not real? And especially it's not any more (or less) real than the idea that it's wrong for me to say or think that?

There's 'really' nothing to disagree about, so if you'll just hand me the keys, I'll be out of your hair.

[Quix]

Dear RM,

I just wish to note for the record that FREEPER Jesse Marcel Jr did reply in the referent post.

I ALSO WISH TO ASK THOSE PINGED TO PRAY FOR JESSE JR'S HEALTH, comfort and well being. He is 100% disabled from Iraq tourS injuries late in his Army surgeon's life. He was called back from retirement due to his rare specialty being so needed.

I gleaned some prayer warriors for a one time ping to ping and pray for this fine FREEPER VETERAN from the prayer thread for our heros.

And to note again that the dispicable juvenile insults against him by asserting that he was a nonexistent authority were outrageously way over the line of any semblence of decency, civility or kosherness regarding this VERY DECORATED, 74 year old 100% disabled Vet, Army Surgeon, Iraq Veteran, Dedicated, authentic Roman Catholic, Roswell UFO debris handler.

I realize it is against the hostile folks religion to apologize. However, I do wish to note it is highly in order for them to do so.

Below are youtube interviews with him and one with his father, Jesse Marcel Senior from 1984. Jesse Marcel SR was responsible for picking the UFO debris up initially.

CBS MUFON 2006 UFO Symposium Coverage Jesse Marcel Jr:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTrySDqQkVg

Larry King Live on UFO's - July 2007 (Part 4 of 6) WITH STANTON FRIEDMAN & JESSE MARCEL JR

Larry King Live on UFO's - July 2007 (Part 5 of 6) WITH STANTON FRIEDMAN & JESSE MARCEL JR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgyzdk3ZMJk

JESSE MARCEL SENIOR: Former Major Jesse Marcel in his own words

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0tGYguP3IA&p=0AAFA2DFC278BF57&playnext=1&index=14

The Roswell Incident pt2 JESSE MARCEL JR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLkvr4rYwi0

[sitetest]

Dear Legatus,

Don't look at me. I'm not suggesting that you “channel Cato...” etc., etc., etc. I just didn't think that communications was the real topic.

sitetest

[Quix]

I apologize that I did not notice all that and therefore did not come to your defense.

On some of those issues, my eyes glaze over in abject boredom. My flaw. Sorry.

[Mad Dawg]

And Proddys are considered "separate brethren" by Catholics, not saved with the fullness that Catholics will enjoy.

False.

[smvoice]

Prayers up for Jesse Marcel Jr. Thank you for your service to our country, sir, and your love for, and dedication to, the TRUTH. May God lead you and bless you in your life’s journey. Grace and peace unto you. smvoice

[Quix]

Good points.

I’ve gotten to know both Mad Dawg and Legatus better and for that, I’m thankful and it is worth all the rest.

I’ve also realized how horribly bitter, resentful, hostile, angry, seemingly willfully blind etc. some of the rabid clique folks are . . . and that is good to know.

I have come to appreciate at a deeper level the futility in communicating with many of those sorts of characters. That is worth knowing.

I’ve seen a very treasured FREEPER DISABLED VET insulted beyond all reason for not the faintest rational reason or decency. I was shocked and outraged at that. Yet, it was good to find out how low some of the RC’s would stoop on such scores.

I was also shocked to see how relentlessly some would post brazenly untrue stuff out of their bitterness, hostility, vengeance, anger etc. That was also good to learn.

There’s more, no doubt. But that’s enough.

[smvoice]

Then make it true, please. Give me your Catholic teaching that proves we are equal in salvation. Otherwise I will have to depend on Vatican 2 that says actually there is NO salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church.

[caww]

Hi metmom....interesting to get into future possibilities and speculate how things might come together. I too have looked at Petra and it certainly could be possible.

The last I knew Jordon was goign to completely restore the area...do you have the latest?

[Quix]

OOOOPS, I SEE I GOOFED ON THE LINK TO PART 4 OF 6 ABOVE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1mOkv42ryc

[Mad Dawg]

It was in this or some other thread (but a recent one) in which I learned that many non-Catholics are “materialists”.

I also learned that many non-Catholics have don’t really have what we call “Ascetical Theology” and confuse the ‘dark night’ with faithlessness and consolations with faith.

[Quix]

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

THX THX.

And thanks for not pinging him. He will read as much of the thread as he cares to bother with, without a lot of extra pings.

AS one can imagine, at 74 with full disabled status, he has to shepherd his energies.

[Quix]

I’d heard something about Jordan going to restore it. But I haven’t heard any more. If you find out more, please ping me to it.

[Quix]

I don’t recall if I pinged you to #3,682

[caww]

The reality is; the idea combined with matter may make a change 'in your head' but it's the same old thing you started with...The matter doesn't change...The substance doesn't change no matter how vivid the idea is...

This reminds me of those who have out of the body experiences via meditation and any other venue they "believe" they are experiencing. It is very much a spiritual experience to them as well..... Further...It is so important, I think, to grasp that these things are truly 'believed' by those who practice, not simply that they are taught...be it Catholics or any within a religious group or whereever the setting might be.

[glock rocks]

I'll join in prayer for Jesse Marcel Jr., and thank him for his service.

I trust a Catholic prayer will be acceptable on this thread.

[metmom]

I hadn’t heard anything about that.

[glock rocks]

And thanks for not pinging him.

Oops.

[Quix]

THANKS TONS.

OF COURSE, PRAYER TO THE LORD IS ALWAYS WELCOME, TO MY SENSIBILITIES.

And, Jesse is a Roman Catholic, anyway!

[Mad Dawg]

Can you find me the exact wording for what you present as "there is NO salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church."

This is when your side starts complaining about shifting grounds and rubber dictionaries, and not without some justification.

Funnily enough, it relates to the conversation about form and matter, substance and accidents.

I ask you to stipulate:
-1- that there is only ONE Church.
-2- that Baptism is the ORDINARY (not exclusive or only) means of joining that Church.
-3- That the blessed in Heaven are in that Church.

Not too bad so far, right?

Now, hold your nose and stipulate THIS:
- the fullest 'instantiation' of the one Church on earth is the bunch o' folks in communion with the Holy See. (In this connection it's important to remember that there are Catholics who are not "Roman" - that is, Latin Rite - Catholics, such as Maronites and Ukrainian Catholics, and others.)

I'm not asking you to agree, just see the way it's laid out.

What this means (the way I say it) is that if you go to communion in the Catholic Church (with the right intention) then you can rely on having gotten whatever good communion offers. Similarly if y9ou are a penitent and contrite as you can be (So it's an internal standard) and you go to confession, you are indeed forgiven.

So we claim we have 'reliable' 'helps'.

WE do not claim to know whether or how "separated brethren are saved, but we are open to the possibility of their being brought into the fellowship of the one Church in Heaven.

I say again, that Church is (or will be) the heavenly perfection of the one Church on earth. IN that sense it will be the catholic, and even the Catholic, Church. The unity will be perfected in heaven and the separation overcome.

All this seems to me to follow from Dominus Iesus and from the passages in the Catechism about salvation of the unBaptized.

I'm not asking you to agree. I am merely addressing the meaning of Unam Sanctam and or any other declarations about the relationship between being saved into heaven and being in the Church.