Posted on 10/26/2010 5:17:20 AM PDT by Colofornian
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...Joseph Smith warned of the consequences when we fail to use the temples available to us: “Those Saints who neglect [temple work] in behalf of their deceased relatives, do it at the peril of their own salvation.”
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A key function of temples is to perform ordinance work for our deceased ancestors. When we think of temple ordinances and the necessity to do them perfectly, without error...
“… For their salvation is necessary and essential to our salvation...they without us cannot be made perfect—neither can we without our dead be made perfect” (D&C 128:5, 15;...).
Consider the...vision of President Joseph F. Smith...:
“Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins...having rejected the prophets.
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The Lord revealed through... Joseph: “All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, … through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power … are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead” (D&C 132:7).
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...One of the great privileges we have is the wearing of the garment...
...The garment, … when properly worn, will serve as a protection against temptation and evil.
“It is expected that members will wear the garment both night and day...Members should not adjust the garment or wear it contrary to instructions in order to accommodate different styles of clothing...The garment should not be removed for activities which might reasonably be done with the garment worn beneath the clothing...
(Excerpt) Read more at new.lds.org ...
Really!! Joseph Smith could READ and understood Reformed Egyptian, a language that no one but him has ever seen? Was he reading off the gold plates, or did he read it off the rock in the hat?
The Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, who of course knows all languages.
1Nephi changes:
Prior to 1837
After 1837 changes …
11:18 And he said unto me, Behold, the virgin which thou seest, is the mother of God, after the manner of flesh.
And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh.
11:21 And the angel said unto me, behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Eternal Father! Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?
And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father! Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?
11:32 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me again, saying, look! And I looked and beheld the Lamb of God, that he was taken by the people; yea, the Everlasting God, was judged of the world; and I saw and bear record.
And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me again, saying: Look! And I looked and beheld the Lamb of God, that he was taken by the people; yea, the Son of the everlasting God was judged of the world; and I saw and bear record.
13:40 And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records which thou hast seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first, which is of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father and the Saviour of the world; and that all men must come unto Him, or they cannot be saved;
And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records, which thou hast seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first, which are of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto him, or they cannot be saved.
Logo, researchers have poured over these changes and aligned them with the evolving assertions of Joseph Smith. It looks like his changes in the 1837 edition were made to support the changes to his claimed first vision. Yet he was lazy, because later in the BofM he failed to change the same sort of passages which support the trinity. Your peepstone prophet was a charlatan.
I would be interested in reading what the official excuse is for the inclusion of the Latin name 'Lucifer' in a BofM supposed quote from Isaiah circa 600BC. This should be interesting, if you have yet been fed the answer.
Exactly.
Well isn't that nice?
So you are saying that Joseph Smith didn't translate the golden plates, er.., I mean rock in the hat, er.. I mean Book of Mormon, but that he transmitted the words that your god put into his head when he looked at the rock in the hat? And that your god told him a French word instead of an English word. Yet your god didn't know an proper English word to express 'curelom' or 'cumom.' And he didn't know how to tell us about blades chipped from rock but called them steel instead?
Is that what you're saying?
Let's un-parse your assertion:
"... I agree that one must be born again, that one must run patiently the race set before us, and that one must endure to the end. I also agree that one cannot do any of these things on his own merits." Logophile
Do you believe that one must FIRST be born again, THEN run the race set before us? Do you believe that 'endure to the end' refers to running the race AFTER being born again? I posted the passages from Romans 8 because you seem confused. Can you answer the above questions directly?
I have never said any of those things.
No, that is an opinion.
Some Mormons will repeat/promote any foolishness so long as it keeps the hive from being shaken. Sad thing is, nether of these posters comprehends why the lie they’re promoting is so damnable to their religion. But you did focus a laser beam on the foolishness of that assertion that a peepstone false prophet was translating by the power of God.
Yet humans, being imperfect and limited in our understanding, often differ on what is true. All one has to do is consider how many different ways Christians interpret the Bible.
The ball will either fall to the ground when you drop it or go the the sky. Truth is that it goes to the ground. The other is fantasy.
Yes, the ball falls. But why? Aristotle, Newton, and Einstein each offered explanations for the phenomena. Which one was right?
You are correct, you stated an opinion, a steeped-in-Mormonism opinion. I apologize. You would have to not believe what you said and yet say what you asserted for it to be deception. But I was actually referring to the man whom you quoted, whom it is my opinion knows full well that the Christian world sees such changes as I offered in a follow-up post as very significant.
You're correct. You never did. What you don't say is often of more importance.
That you can't/don't/won't discuss the obvious discrepancies about your tales, inaccuracies, words that don't exist, might have been known in 14th century England, but doesn't seem to know, and of a book "translated by the gift and power of God, who of course knows all languages....." is very telling in and of itself.
Lurkers see it, even if you don't.
How handy is THAT? The Christian is stuck with the actual written Word of God.
Well, it took a while but you finally pulled Logo’s covers with a very simple question. When someone has to go to the extreme Logo has chosen, to try and fabricate room for the heresies of Mormonism to be ‘just as reasonable as the Bible assertions which Mormonism contradicts’, then that one has run to hide behind parsing papa. [BTW, both Newton and Einstein are correct, but Albert’s mathematical explanation is more detailed in general relativity than Newtonian mathematics. Richard Feynman was fond of the geometric proof of gravitational planetary motions, using triangles within the ellipse of a planetary orbit.]
Yes.
Your post doesn't make sense. Haven't we been discussing those things? And haven't we done so many times before?
Then you are a Christian, so why are you stuck in Mormonism which contradicts those points, turning the syllogism around to make doing all that you can do to earn Grace the center of Mormonism?
Is the earth round or flat? Some are split on what is considered true on this point. Therefore, what some consider 'true' or truth is not.
Aristotle, Newton, and Einstein each offered explanations for the phenomena. Which one was right?
Truth - the ball falls. Aristotle, Newton and Einstein had differing views as to why - each with greater knowledge - yet the truth was still the ball falls.
CC was correct. One is incorrect in their assessment and the fundamentals should be more closely examined.
This requires objective evaluations - not subjective ones based upon feelings or impressions.
At last we agree on something.
. . . so why are you stuck in Mormonism which contradicts those points, turning the syllogism around to make doing all that you can do to earn Grace the center of Mormonism?
We will have to agree to disagree on what Mormonism teaches.
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