Posted on 12/09/2010 2:54:51 PM PST by Salvation
Thank you for your encouragements.
MB>In other words, no.
But it is based only on the WORD of YHvH. It does not impugn the WORD OF YHvH and follow traditions of man.
If one does not believe in the divinity of Christ, then one is not Christian. If one does not believe in the Trinitarian formula, then one is not Christian. I don't recall you having ever claimed that you were, so we must remember that we are operating from two different points of reference when we interact.
You are welcome.
Then I misunderstood. He is Divine? Is He the same as God the Father or is He God the Son? I took your previous answer to mean you were not Trinitarian. Was I wrong?
He is the shekinah glory of YHvH who has tabernacled among us. (John 1:14)
Can you be more specific about your beliefs? The tabernacle is a created thing. Shekinah can mean the dwelling or settling divine presence of God, especially in the Temple; for some it represents the feminine attributes of the presence of God (shekhinah is a feminine word in Hebrew), based on readings of the Talmud. Shekinah varies in meaning. Shekinah glory means what? A divine being or a divine presence in something else?
Is Yah'shua God or not God? If God is it the same person as God the Father or not? Is He begotten of the Father? Is He fully human or not human at all?
Thank you.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one." HSN-07931 שכן shakan ( Shekhinah: the word means literally to settle, inhabit, or dwell, ) Seek YHvh in His WORD ! One needs to be like the Bereans
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Act 17:11
Also see YHvH & salvation
Now these(Bereans) were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica,
for they received the word with great eagerness,
examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
Gen. 49:18; Exod. 14:13; 15:2; 1 Sam. 2:1; 2 Sam. 22:47; 1 Chr. 16:23; 2 Chr. 6:41; 20:17; Ps. 3:8; 14:7; 18:2, 46; 21:1; 24:5; 27:1; 35:9; 37:39; 38:22; 40:16; 68:19; 85:7; 88:1; 95:1; 96:2; 98:2; 106:4; 116:13; 118:14f; 119:41, 166, 174; 140:7; 149:4; Isa. 12:2; 25:9; 33:2, 6; 45:8, 17; 49:8; 52:10; 56:1; 61:10; 62:11; Jer. 3:23; Lam. 3:26; Jon. 2:9; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:8, 18;
See : Gen. 14:13; 26:2; Exod. 40:35; Num. 5:3; 24:2; 35:34; Deut. 33:12, 20; Jos. 22:19; Jdg. 5:17; Ezr. 6:12; Ps. 37:3; 78:60; 135:21; Prov. 27:10; Isa. 33:5, 24; 57:15; Jer. 6:21; Hos. 10:5; Joel 4:17, 21
Let’s see if I can get what I asked for correctly.
I believe you are saying Jesus is God, YHvH, the One God of the Jews, not the Trinitarian God the Son.
I still do not understand how you are viewing the humanity of Christ. Was he human? Did he become inhabited by YhvH after his birth or before?
You said “Yah’shua is not a created being.” I take that to mean the uncreated, or God. How then are you seeing the body of Christ? Is He born of a woman? Who is His father?
I really would appreciate specific answers rather than vague ones that only cause more questions.
thank you.
Then I misunderstood. He is Divine? Is He the same as God the Father or is He God the Son? I took your previous answer to mean you were not Trinitarian. Was I wrong?
He is the shekinah glory of YHvH who has tabernacled among us. (John 1:14)
Can you be more specific about your beliefs? The tabernacle is a created thing. Shekinah can mean the dwelling or settling divine presence of God, especially in the Temple; for some it represents the feminine attributes of the presence of God (shekhinah is a feminine word in Hebrew), based on readings of the Talmud. Shekinah varies in meaning. Shekinah glory means what? A divine being or a divine presence in something else?
Is Yah'shua God or not God? If God is it the same person as God the Father or not? Is He begotten of the Father? Is He fully human or not human at all?
Thank you.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one." HSN-07931 שכן shakan ( Shekhinah: the word means literally to settle, inhabit, or dwell, ) Seek YHvH in His WORD ! One needs to be like the Bereans
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Act 17:11
Also see YHvH & salvation
Now these(Bereans) were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica,
for they received the word with great eagerness,
examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
Gen. 49:18; Exod. 14:13; 15:2; 1 Sam. 2:1; 2 Sam. 22:47; 1 Chr. 16:23; 2 Chr. 6:41; 20:17; Ps. 3:8; 14:7; 18:2, 46; 21:1; 24:5; 27:1; 35:9; 37:39; 38:22; 40:16; 68:19; 85:7; 88:1; 95:1; 96:2; 98:2; 106:4; 116:13; 118:14f; 119:41, 166, 174; 140:7; 149:4; Isa. 12:2; 25:9; 33:2, 6; 45:8, 17; 49:8; 52:10; 56:1; 61:10; 62:11; Jer. 3:23; Lam. 3:26; Jon. 2:9; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:8, 18;
See : Gen. 14:13; 26:2; Exod. 40:35; Num. 5:3; 24:2; 35:34; Deut. 33:12, 20; Jos. 22:19; Jdg. 5:17; Ezr. 6:12; Ps. 37:3; 78:60; 135:21; Prov. 27:10; Isa. 33:5, 24; 57:15; Jer. 6:21; Hos. 10:5; Joel 4:17, 21
There are questions still unanswered. Is it that you don’t know or don’t wish to say? If you don’t know, perhaps a link to your groups theology could suffice.
I’m asking theological questions, what is your theology? Proof texts for the theology are fine, but please provide them after the answers to the questions.
Thank you for clarifying.
You are not Christian, in other words. You believe that Jesus was God the Father Incarnated; the Holy Spirit would then be a mechanism of God.
An amalgam of the Jewish and Oneness Pentecostal beliefs, I’d hazard.
No disrespect intented; I’d agree that strong reactions can be a good sign.........however, in these days, I observe, the reactions are tending ever more and inappropriately strong, tending to near violent.
Which is interesting to me. What’s it all about? the reactions against belief or faith are near visceral, as though the faithful are somehow a threat. Quite curious in this country, in this day of relative wealth and easy living. In such times, I’d have expected apathy.
HMMMMMM
May well be seeing more such designs and motifs.
Sigh.
You are not Christian, in other words. You believe that Jesus was God the Father Incarnated; the Holy Spirit would then be a mechanism of God.
An amalgam of the Jewish and Oneness Pentecostal beliefs, Id hazard.
I have been called out by the Holy One of Israel; I call on the NAME which saves: I do not follow man-made Tradition; I believe in only ONE G-d: YHvH; I reject the concept of a mother of G-d. Yah'shua said there is only ONE G-d: YHvH. Seek YHvH in His WORD.
By your definition, perhaps.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
However I am a follower of the Jewish Messiah.
The Messiah as prophesied in the Tanach.
my sins have been covered by the blood of the Lamb.
Yah'shua (YHvH be/is my salvation).
See: Gen. 49:18; Exod. 14:13; 15:2; 1 Sam. 2:1; 2 Sam. 22:47; 1 Chr. 16:23; 2 Chr. 6:41; 20:17; Ps. 3:8; 14:7; 18:2, 46; 21:1; 24:5; 27:1; 35:9; 37:39; 38:22; 40:16; 68:19; 85:7; 88:1; 95:1; 96:2; 98:2; 106:4; 116:13; 118:14f; 119:41, 166, 174; 140:7; 149:4; Isa. 12:2; 25:9; 33:2, 6; 45:8, 17; 49:8; 52:10; 56:1; 61:10; 62:11; Jer. 3:23; Lam. 3:26; Jon. 2:9; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:8, 18;
I follow only the WORD of Elohim.
I do not believe in three gods,
where the old god is rejected and
the new god is created in the image
of mankind.
I do not believe in any queen of heaven
except as practiced in Paganism.(Jer 7 & 44)
See: (Mark 12:29)(Deut 6:4)
Thanks for your reply.
I agree apathy would be the expected reaction. And that is the usual, the norm.
I think what we see here is not normal, there’s something else going on that, as you note, is seen as a serious threat, internally, nearly visceral as you say.
My comment was hinting that this is a normal result, the internal threat, and that it is a God thing, one that I trust He sees as the necessary way for some people to change.
thanks again.
Yes, some form of Modalism based on the limited replies. I've found it impossible to elicit anything specific.
Many, if not most Messianic Jews are Trinitarians. Those that aren't would have to travel the same path to some form Christology if they are to continue in a consistent teaching, even if it is not Trinitarian.
It seems here, it hasn't been done, the obvious theological problems haven't been looked at, at least not enough to form a coherent theology.
This should not surprise. We're looking at a small subset of a religious movement barely 50 years old. For all we know, in this case, the theology, as far as it can be called that, is much younger.
“It’s the difference between salvation and superstition.”
A relationship with Christ, and Christ alone, is the difference between salvation and superstition. Whether you agree with Catholic doctrine or not, surely you understand that you can believe Christ, have a personal relationship with him, thereby being a recipient of his gift of salvation, yet still hold incorrect doctrinal beliefs...otherwise, it’s all about doctrine, and not a personal relationship. Right?
Evidently I was reading something into his discussion with Michael on page 61 (emphasis mine):
....During the tribulation, the days will be horrible because all of the fallen angels will be on earth. Praise God he is taking us out before this happens.
Michael said, "There will not be a place in all of the vast heavens for even one of those demons, not even one!" He emphasized this and said that it is his assignment, and he is ready to go on it as soon as the day is appointed!
An amalgam of the Jewish and Oneness Pentecostal beliefs, Id hazard.
By your definition, perhaps.
However I am a follower of the Jewish Messiah. The Messiah as prophesied in the Tanach. I have been called out by the Holy One of Israel; my sins have been covered by the blood of the Lamb.
Thank you for confirming it. And it's not my definition. It's the definition of the Church which counts, anyway, not mine or yours.
Another church of one?
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