Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

LDS.org ^ | Dennis B. Neuenschwander

[caww]

That’s ‘Spiritualism’ Smith is directing people in...common in the occults and most likely his point of reference since he was entrenched in occult practices...as was his entire family. Some real freaky stuff they were involved in.

Just as his “burning in the bosum” instructions...he took the occults instructions..slathered it with a heavy dose of scripture, and called it Mormon teaching...when in fact it is directly linked to the occult.

[greyfoxx39]

[snicker]

[greyfoxx39]

Excellent response, caww.

[Tennessee Nana]

Chuck either we are a free people or we are not...

A caucus is like a private church...

you can sit in a church and boast about we-four-and-no-more in private...

Whose to know ???

However if you put extremely loud speakers in the windows and scream your hate of other beliefs into the street passerby are going to come in and argue with you...

well until the police arrive and send them off and tell you to keep it down...

or if you publish in the newspapers that all Christian churches are an abomination, the readers comments are going to be indifferent to your supposed Joey Smith given right to insult the God of the Christian Bible...You WILL get much well chosen curse words..

No media or form of communication in America is solely one way...

As Senator Hillary Clinton so rightly said “we have a right to debate. We will debate.” or something like that...

While you have a right to say anything in your home...

Yelling fire in a theatre when there is no fire will get you in trouble...

Telling Christians that the unbeliever and pagan Joey Smith has said Christianity is an abomination will not go unchallenged...

Chizeling in stone at an Salt Lake intersection the same bigotry and hatred does not endear the mormons to real Christians..

and demanding a caucus in order to violate the religious rights of Christians to exercise our free speech rights and practice our right to worship: and in order to protect foul blasphemeous articles that the demonic mormon Joey Smith was chosen by the LORD Jesus Christ to be one of His apostles will not go unrefuted and unchallenged..

This is the United States of America in 2011 not Brigham Youngs theocratic ditatorship in the Utah Territory in 1844-76

We dont have a state religion of mormonism like Joey Smith prophecied...

the whole world never did go after Joey Smith...

and Joey Smith never did meet Jesus and get to be His prophet or apostle...

Ive never started a caucus thread in my life...

I believe too much in the Constitution...and I like open aired bickering...

Other people have just as much right as I to worship how they please...

They just dont get to attempt to hijack Christianity and spit on my God and my Savior, the LORD Jesus Christ in front of me without my objecting strongly and in any way I can...

Mormonism is not Christianity...

Its a foul imitation and sick distortion from the lustful evil mind of Joey Smith for the sole intention of gaining women, money and abusive power over other people...

While mormons have a right to believe their LDS nonsense, they dont have a right to attempt to align their Satanic rituals with the practice of Christianity without being called out on it...

For many hundreds of posts now you have continued to complain, whine and gripe about the “de-caucusing” of a thread that did not earn the privilege of a caucus to begin with...

One has to wonder why you wont just leave it alone...especially since you have already said years ago that you personally are NOT a mormon...

but carry on ...its your keyboard...and your time...

[Tennessee Nana]

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[MarkBsnr]

Nice beak and receding chin. And hairline, as well. He really was a homely twerp. No wonder that he overcompensated and created his own religion.

[greyfoxx39]

Go start your own conservative political forum and then PD can add you to his List-o-links.

LOL...you are so sharp today...had razor blades for lunch?

[reaganaut]

Not even close PD, if you knew your theology, you would know that.

BTW, were you the one that tipped off Spammy (Greg West)?

[NautiNurse]

As Senator Hillary Clinton so rightly said “we have a right to debate. We will debate.” or something like that...

Hillary Clinton quotes are always my favorite choice to buttress an argument in a conservative forum.

[Elsie]

I know Jesus very well.....I don’t know who you know very well....

It was ONLY eight replies back; and you think THAT is what I typed?

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And it appears your knowledge of the BIBLE is a bit shallow, too.

I typed NOTHING about JESUS at all!

[Elsie]

The only reason we mention it at all is that we believe that we can be deified with Christ and Become gods.

Thanks for pointing this out!

No MORMON can claim THIS is REGURGITATED garbage; can they??

[reaganaut]

You really should get your info from more than just anti-Mormon propagandists. [PD]

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Hey PD, I don’t need to get my info from ‘antis’. I LIVED Mormonism, I studied it using their own sources and I was a damn good Mormon.

The best ‘anti propaganda’ are the LDS sites themselves. Mormonism is its own worst enemy.

[Elsie]

Too bad the prisoners didn’t have a Gatling gun or a few grenades.

Too bad that Joseph wasn't a TRUE prophet; or he would have KNOWN better than to turn himself in.

[Elsie]

 

Arrogance and Condemnation is not of the *Christ*

 

Like I said, "Apparently you are lacking in BIBLE knowledge."

 

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Matthew 15:16
   "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.

Matthew 23

 

  1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
  2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
  3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
  4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
  5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
  6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
  7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
  8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
  9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
 10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
 11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
 12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
 21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
 22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
 28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
 29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
 30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
 31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
 32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
 33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
 37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
 38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
 39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "

 

Mark 7:26-27
 26.  The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
 27.  "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

 

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And St. Paul chimes in...

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Galatians 5:12
   As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

 

 

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Matthew 15:16
   "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.

Matthew 23

 

  1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
  2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
  3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
  4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
  5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
  6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
  7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
  8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
  9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
 10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
 11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
 12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
 21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
 22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
 28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
 29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
 30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
 31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
 32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
 33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
 37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
 38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
 39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "

 

Mark 7:26-27
 26.  The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
 27.  "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

 

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And St. Paul chimes in...

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Galatians 5:12
   As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

 

[Elsie]

.....It surely does not mean throw a Mormon person out of your house.....

So; instead of ACCEPTING what it CLEARLY states; you believe there might be some HIDDEN meaning I'm just not getting?

[SZonian]

Just sayin’...I didn’t mean to imply or infer that you believed it, just offering up context.

FRegards,
SZ

[Elsie]

Without trying to read all the hundreds of posts, I will readily concede that the majority of the posts on this thread are negative toward my religion... So?

So?

SO???

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So the NEGATIVE stuff comes straight from LDS presses - why is that upsetting MORMONs so?

[caww]

Thanks but if any good comes from it we know who gets the honor....He is so faithful to reach out to those young in their faith...or those who have returned from falling into a pit...and He loves to use people when doing so...but important in His timing...one doesn’t need to seek them out...they’ll cross your path when it’s time.

BTW picked this up along the way which I continue to use to make a point, posted back aways .....as follows:

“Those who work distinguishing counterfeit money from the real thing are NOT taught what a counterfeit looks like....they are taught every detail, and hours of training, in distinguishing the real thing..... Because they know the real thing so very well they can spot a counterfeit in a heartbeat!”

That goes for discerning false teachings....when you have hidden Gods word in your heart...The Lord is quick to bring it to mind when facing the father of lies and His tactics. Christ Himself use scripture in the temptation He faced...He certainly knows how to use His word in us when we face tactics and wiles of men.

[Elsie]

Without trying to read all the hundreds of posts, I will readily concede that the majority of the posts on this thread are negative toward my religion... So?

Well; we Christians do NOT have to seek and destroy your publishing ability as your FOUNDER and HIS mob did.

We GLADLY let 'em roll; and then display the output.

SURELY no TRUE mormon could complain about that; could they?

[reaganaut]

Biblical not a man made doctrine. Sorry to burst your bubble. And ONE God means ONE God, not 3 gods united in purpose. You sound like Clinton.

And God does not teach man can become Gods that is a lie from Satan.

“Just for the record, believing in Christ is a work”

It is a work of GOD, not a work of us. If you stick your hand out to receive a gift, did you earn it? Is it a work? No. (John 6:29).

And I know much more about Mormonism than you ever will. And I know more about the Bible than you do as well, that is obvious.

I love how the LDS keep taking James out of context and ignore the rest of the New Testament. They manipulate the Bible and twist scripture for their own ends THEN TURN AROUND AND SAY IT IS CORRUPT!

BTW, I am never afraid of anything Mormon, Satan no longer has power over me.