Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

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[Osage Orange]

But this title wasn’t a “shot” at other groups of believers.......

Really...??? Are you really serious?

A thread titled..."J. Smith...an Apostle of Jesus Christ"...isn't a "shot" at Christians????????????

Seems clear enough to me....

[Elsie]

I only look at the news/activism forum so as to avoid threads like this one...

I guess actually READING the title of the thread Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ was NOT an option?

[Tennessee Nana]

Joseph Smith: founder of the Mormon movement”
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Yes and even better “Joseph Smith: father of the Mormon movement (or Mormonism)”

It also has that political angle in there...

after all while George Washington was the “father of our country” Joey Smith wanted to be “father” of the world...

as well as president-for-life in the US and king-of-the-the-US and the world and general-of-the-glorious-armies-of-Nauvoo and savior-of-his-people...

hey if Queen Victoria could have lots of titles so could “king” Joseph..

[DelphiUser]

Alamo Girl, first let me say that I have tremendous respect for you as a political activist. I have watched you over the years and want to thank you for the countless hours you have spent compiling information for others to use in fighting for conservatism.

The doctrine was also mentioned in an exchange between DelphiUser and Colofornian on another thread which I engaged for the same reason I did here. Namely, in my view, the doctrine that God is "a" God and not "the" God is the “poison pill” which prevents peace between Christians (Catholic, Protestant, etc.) and Mormons.

I stand by my example on the other thread, God's "dad" is irrelevant to our salvation, is not mentioned in Mormons theology as anything more than a logical construct. The only reason we mention it at all is that we believe that we can be deified with Christ and Become gods. Now before anyone gets excited, the analogy is this:

You have a Dad, You have a child.

Your child doesn't like the bed time you have set, so he calls your dad to try to change bedtime.

Unless you have no spine, your child calling Grandpa will not change Bedtime. For the record, God has a spine, so no changing the rules by calling up the chain (if there even is one)

Authority comes from creation:
God created us, he has the power of every creator over his creation, he is our God, we belong to him. He needs to ask no one permission for what he does to / with us. there is no higher authority than God.

Mormons sometimes theorize on things from the eternities, Adam's relationship with God, existence outside of time, etc.

None of the theories is "required" belief by Mormons even though Apostles and Prophets of the church have proposed theories.

We have one God. We worship the God of Abraham and of Issac and of Jacob.

We do not accept the Trinity which we believe is a point of apostasy that was prophesied in the Bible. This is a big contention point with many protestants and Catholics, some of whom claim that acceptance of the Dogma of the Trinity is required to be a Christian.

We do believe in being saved by Grace, we also believe in works to both show our faith, and increase our faith.

You can separate yourselves form us all you want, what you cannot do is separate us from God. God decides who is his, it's not a popularity contest. The belief system with the most followers does not "win". People with the "winning belief system" are not all automatically saved. Salvation is an individual thing because God will judge us by our heart, by our faith and yes, by our works, the Bible says so.

Alamo Girl, Go with God, I know you don't agree with my theology, gut my prayer of well wishing and blessing is sincere just the same.

Delph

[Elsie]

By the way, I would suggest in the future making threads like this for LDS Caucus, unless you like reading page after page of mud slinging from the usual suspects.

I missed the MUD!

Which reply # has it?

And... why are you STILL in this thread?

[Sherman Logan]

Apparently your definition differs. :)

[Elsie]

Hello Steno!

[Sherman Logan]

Personally, I’m all in favor of fighting back against lynch mobs. Too bad the prisoners didn’t have a Gatling gun or a few grenades.

[TaraP]

Yes..Do not take religious instruction from False Prophets or Doctrines.....It surely does not mean throw a Mormon person out of your house.....

You know I use to have trouble understanding this quote from Ghandi:

“I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.” Ghandi

I do now....

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

Arrogance and Condemnation is not of the *Christ*

[reaganaut]

I miss OMM. He was at least honest.

[Tennessee Nana]

My relationship with the Church started with the Book of Mormon
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Didnt Reaganaut just say 2 minutes before in Post #562 that “It is about a RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ alone” ???

Courtesy PING to Reaganaut

[Elsie]

To receive a witness from the Holy Ghost not some cuties pie!

WHY won't the HG give YOU a 'witness' as to the UNTRUEness of PRESBYTERIANism?

Have you made Him MAD?

Any logically thinking person would want to know what made a PRESBYTERIAN lady like yourself decide to leave it.

[TaraP]

See post #789

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

I suppose it is hard to see many doctrinal errors when you are in the LDS. Bless God for bringing you out of the LDS FRiend! :)

[reaganaut]

Exactly. Which is why the faith of the LDS is put in the ‘Church’ rather than Christ.

I know what the LDS believe, but that doesn’t make it true.

If the 3 Nephites are still here, then there never was an apostasy. Period.

Besides which, Christ Himself said there would not be one, that He would be with us always.

I know you have a lot invested in Mormonism, but that doesn’t make it true. Mormonism is a lie that will send you to Hell, no matter how polite you are (and I do appreciate your polite responses).

[reaganaut]

Damnation is a HUGE downside.

[reaganaut]

LOL. My luck I would be. Still trying to get on SLC’s
“hit list” though...well there is always tomorrow.

[reaganaut]

WORTH A REPOST:

To: Normandy

“I have been blessed in so many ways. I just don’t see the downside.”

EXACTLY! How could you see the downside?

You are in a cult that is based 100% on subjective
feelings, with no objective truth. By necessity, you
must sweep aside all else, rely on feelings and believe
the mormon meme that there was an apostacy, a revelation
to Smith and a restoration with new books. You must believe
those things entirely on feelings.

How could you see the downside? Can’t.

I wish and pray more for you.

ampu

[Elsie]

 

Of course, but just because Jim or anyone else doesn't consider us Christians, denying self professing Christians a Caucus forum while allowing all others seems out of harmony with the spirit of the Forum.

 

HYPOCRITES usually cannot see themselves in a mirror.

 

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Style Guide - The Name of the Church

The official name of the Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This full name was given by revelation from God to Joseph Smith in 1838.

While the term "Mormon Church" has long been publicly applied to the Church as a nickname, it is not an authorized title, and the Church discourages its use.

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• In the first reference, the full name of the Church is preferred: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints".
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http://beta-newsroom.lds.org/article/use-of-the-word-mormon-in-news-reports

 

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Speaking of HYPOCRITES...

 

 

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WHY won't these LOVING and CARING men reach out to the people who actually follow MORMON scripture (D&C 132) and ALLOW them to be called MORMON?

 

Since the SLC hierarchy is afraid of the Government and NOT of GOD, THEY should be the ones who CANNOT be called MORMONs: NOT the FUNDAMENTALISTs!

[DelphiUser]

Delph As to this thread being moved, and your now open hostility toward a religion whose adherents are generally conservative, well it does not bode well for this forum. Not because Mormons will break you or anything silly like that, but because “who is next” will be on people's minds and as soon as censorship is the norm on the forum, well other forums will get traffic that was here.

"Censorship is the norm on this forum"? Hardly. A few years ago when posters who debated the rampant mormon proselytizing were being banned and suspended, where was your defense of "free speech"? I particularly remember YOUR part in baiting "antis" into responses that got them zotted.

I only know of one anti who Got zotted in a debate with me, and for that I have expressed regret many times.

As for free speech, there are rules here, the consequences for breaking those rules is also known. Enforcement should be universal and predictable, not aggressive and capricious.

Your prediction sounds more like a wish as far as forum traffic is concerned.

It's not a prediction, it's a fear.

The importance mormons claim for their church and for themselves is laughable.

Many religions say that about all other religions, yawn.

If you would bother to read this thread, you would find that the mormon message is being soundly rejected by the majority of FReepers that have posted here.

Without trying to read all the hundreds of posts, I will readily concede that the majority of the posts on this thread are negative toward my religion... So?

Jesus would not have won a popular vote in his mortality either.

This was a caucus thread which it is highly unlikely I would ever have posted on that was summarily moved to breaking news, and stripped of it's caucus status. No due process, not moved to the back room, the rules were broken, and at the highest level of this forum.

Are you comfortable with that?

Delph