[NYer]

Catholic ping!

[SECURE AMERICA]

(The Justice Department holds that the Lutherans cannot fire Perich for complaining to the government even if church teaching forbids it.)

So separation of Church and State only applies when it works for the State??
The current Government is not a friend of the people, the Constitution, the military....

[NakedRampage]

Sepaeration of Church and State? Lately the libs have been using that exclusively in their own favor (freedom from religion, the liberal jerkwads all shriek)-- now its our turn.

Hands off the priesthood.

[oh8eleven]

Didn't the SC rule a few years that a private organization has the right to associate with whomever they please?
IIRC, it was the NAGs trying to gain membership to the Augusta National CC.

[G Larry]

Perhaps the court could determine rocks should be bread and solve world hunger?

[Da Bilge Troll]

This is exactly what happens when government (including the courts) gets involved in strictly private matters. This is where the 1964 Civil Rights Act, for instance, went too far: government forcing integration is just as bad as segregation. Who I decide to pay or not pay is nobody else’s business.

[ViLaLuz]

Not until they compell female imams.

[RichyTea]

Is this potential enforcement pertain to only Catholics? Will it be inclusive and be applied in the same manner to all organizations? Such as: Buddhists, muslims, Amish. Certainly would like to hear input from all organizations that might be affected.

[oldbrowser]

They say the fourth-grade teacher lost her job for refusing to submit to an in-house dispute resolution process , thereby violating the church's interpretation of a biblical passage that discourages Christians from suing one another.

I think this has to be viewed from the perspective of setting a precedent for Sharia law in muslim organizations. If they are allowed to declare their in-house beliefs and rules as not subject to constitutional review, it could be a bad thing.

[the invisib1e hand]

Supreme Court asks: could discrimination claim force female priests?

Not in The Church. In the counterfeits? Anything goes.

[Campion]

“The government's general interest in eradicating discrimination in the workplace is simply not sufficient to justify changing the way that the Catholic Church chooses its priests, based on gender roles that are rooted in religious doctrine,” she said.

Wow. There you have it, in black and white. The Obama Administration thinks they have the legal right to outlaw the Catholic religion, all they lack is the "compelling governmental interest" (= grounds, motivation, justification) to do so.

For now.

[tanknetter]

I think, in looking at how this might result in discrimination suits filed by women who want to be Roman Catholic Priests, people aren't noticing that this has a MUCH wider scope. The key line from the article:

“It is a church that has decided to open its doors to the public to provide the socially beneficial service of educating children for a fee, in compliance with state compulsory education laws,” she said, drawing a sharp distinction between churches and religious ministries.

Ok, so the standard being put here is that when a church opens its doors to the public to provide a socially beneficial service it forfeits the religious exemption.

Apply that standard in other areas. Such as to hospitals and the "right" to an abortion. Under that standard religious hospitals might be forced to, down the road, perform abortions, right?

[LadyDoc]

the “narcolepsy” sounds suspicious to me. She took a couple months off for the problem, and there was a suggestion she might have to take off more time in the future, which was the problem. Sorry, but I don’t see why she had to take off so many months for a neurological problem that you are born with (unless she had post encephalopathy narcolepsy, which wasn’t discussed in the news stories).

Narcolepsy can be accomedated in the workplace by naps, taking medication, and adjusting one’s schedule.

as for not suing, I don’t agree with it but it IS scriptural not to sue until all other ways to settle things are exhausted. She didn’t bother to arbitrate, but sued right away.

So you have a lady who has a strange form of a common disease and wants vacations but keep her job, and then you have a lady who instantly goes to the feds to keep her job.

Kaching!

[Dumb_Ox]

In 2004, a Freeper reported on Cardinal George's remarks at a chat for students. His most sobering comment concerned the status of the Church in twenty years. His foresees the Catholic Church being forced underground as in China (with less physical persecution). He argued that for example, a woman sues the Church to be a priest saying it is her right. She gets five justices to agree that it is a right. The Church cannot argue legally from a sacramental standpoint, because Roe v. Wade changed the argument from institutional and community to individual rights, as such the Church must argue on the basis of rights, and here has no argument. The Five justices decree women's ordination, the result is two churches. One a state sponsored Catholic Church and the other an underground Catholic Church. His actual timeframe was ten years.

Looks like he was slightly too pessimistic. But it's still pretty astonishing that the Obama administration took such a radical stand.

[BuckeyeTexan]

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[yldstrk]

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