Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
What is the pillar and foundation of truth, according to Paul, believed by some to be the successor of Christ, who according to them was Paul's forerunner?
isn’t it amazing that the ones who proclaim they are “saved” the loudest are the ones who have no problem with continuously and delibrately telling “untruths” about the Church?
they claim to follow and believe in Jesus, yet attack His Body.
Luke tells us in Acts that Jesus takes the persecution of His Body very personally.
by their fruits you will know them......
Jesus is the rock on which the church, His body comprised of believers throughout the ages, is built.
1 Corinthians 1:11-17 11For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. 12What I mean is that each one of you says, "I follow Paul," or "I follow Apollos," or "I follow Cephas," or "I follow Christ." 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. 16(I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) 17For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
1 Corinthians:3:1-17 1But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready, 3for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way? 4For when one says, "I follow Paul," and another, "I follow Apollos," are you not being merely human?
5What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each. 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. 7So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth. 8He who plants and he who waters are one, and each will receive his wages according to his labor. 9For we are God’s fellow workers. You are God’s field, God’s building.
10 According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. 11For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
16 Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? 17If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.
And what criteria are you using for determining whether someone is a Christian or not?
Fidelity to Jesus and the word of God or fidelity to the Roman Church?
i’ll let you use whatever criteria you want.
just name someone from the third century and sixth century that from their writings or what was written about them, you consider someone you would call a Christian.
each century has 100 years and millions of people who lived in those 100 years.
i am asking for only two names.
i won’t ask you to do anything i won’t do.
so for my third century Christian i would say Cyprian of Carthage.
sixth century, Pope Gregory.
let’s see what the so called christians can come up with.
Sorry, the words of sinful men who comprised the meetings at Nicea are not a replacement for the scriptures...We'll take the scriptures over Nicea anytime and everytime...
You can follow the religion of men, we'll follow the Holy words of our Holy God...
We'll even let you steal the name Christian...It doesn't change anything...
so what is your demon(sp?)ization?
1 Corinthians 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
You may rely on some earthly organization to tell you that you belong to the church but I will rely on Christ.
John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Besides, you probably wouldn’t believe anyway.
John 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
We listen to Christ, not some guy in a pointy hat in Rome.
Sir? *ps i loved that show!* we left the following of Jesus? The Holy Spirit fell upon the followers of Christ after He ascended into Heaven. and He said, go forth fearlessly and spread the Good word of Truth. (I pretty much paraphrased that but I belive it gets the just of it all)
Therefore, Jesus Christ said to build the Catholic Church, “I will destroy this church, and in 3 days I will rebuild it correctly” - also paraphrasing
“the fact that others outside of it claim to be christian, doesn’t change the fact there is only ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH, founded by Jesus Christ and protected by the Holy Spirit for 2,000 years.”
Catholic Means Universal, its not particular, God wants all to give Glory to Him and spend eternity with Him in Heaven.
“Not really. Acts and the Epistles tell us about all the churches of men that arise on a continuous basis out of the ooze of human imagination.”
no, they ooze from hell
And why don’t you knock it off with the Nestorian Christians...You’re religion’s real beef with the Nestorians “and the rest of the early Christians is that they would NOT bow to your religion nor your popes...And they rightfully refused to equate the mother of Jesus with the goddess Diana, the queen of heaven...”
Bow to our Pope’s? Jesus Christ appointed the first Pope Himself, and He said our church would remain unto the end of the world.
Pride is the first deadly sin for a reason, it leads to all others.
Great post!!!
Christianity establish the criteria unambiguously in the Apostles Creed which proceeded from the Great Commission. First of in the Interrogatory Creed Of Hippolytus in 215 AD and, in response to heresies and controversies, clarified and codified in 325 AD at Nicea in the Nicene Creed which established the baseline for Canon. If you do not adhere to the entire Apostles Creed you simply are not Christian.
Does the Nicene Creed include the Gospel of your salvation? Because if it doesn’t then it doesn’t matter what else it says. Without the Gospel of your salvation, you simply cannot be saved. And to be saved is to be a Christian.
Include the Apostles Creed to the previous post.
Really? Have you ever really read and reflected on these creeds?
When did it become “believe on the Nicene Creed and you will be saved”?
It never did. Again, have you never really read and reflected on these creeds? If you had you would not be taking that line of argument.
The Nicene Creed was adopted in 325AD. Were there any people saved prior to that time?
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