Posted on 12/14/2011 11:10:27 AM PST by NYer
What a horrible outlook on our salvation. Don't you know we have been adopted into the Holy Family of God? Can you so easily toss aside all of the references I gave you that God will reward our deeds? Of course, He will. Why? Because we have been restored as sons of God through the New Covenant of Christ. In that, we have been graced by Christ with the ability to merit from God the approval due to His children.
When we were still separated from Him, He did not delight in our deeds (just as you take no delight in the accomplishments of the neighbor kids). Now, as restored sons and daughters, He does delight in us and our work for His Kingdom is not a mess of filthy rags before Him.
Your quote of the filthy rags comes from Isaiah and it is, again, about the Law. The way you misconstrue this fact is, unfortunately, very Protestant and the source of much misunderstanding between us.
May God bless you.
Maybe you should change your ways.
The shroud has everyone stumped. From a scientific point of view, you can say it’s a miracle if it’s real and a miracle if it’s fake.
The problem, always from a scientific point of view is that you are absolutely free not to believe that it is actually and factually the burial cloth of Jesus Christ, you may “debunk”... but then you have to “bunk”.
Okay, it’s fake, it’s man-made... but how on earth was it made? Just saying the devil made it, to lead man astray, really doesn’t do it from a scientific point of view, so what are we left with?
A Medieval (or older) man creating something capable of stumping 21st century science.
So okay, it’s a fake, but a fantastically prodigious one. How could its creator have known how to make it forensically so correct with “stuff” that could only have been appreciated by technologies many centuries away? Why would he have bothered?
The devil theory doesn’t hold water because believing that it is actually and factually the burial cloth of Christ is not required. Very few Catholics even knew about it. Even today not that many are “obsessed.” It’s a matter of interest but not of faith. It’s a matter of interest to believers and non-believers alike.
It exists. How do we deal with it?
No. That's where you go way off the mark, exegetically. "Works of [the] law" had a specific meaning to Paul, other first century rabbis, and Paul's readers. It meant the ceremonial "works" of the Mosaic law, not any works of any law.
LIke I asked PaforBush:"and what about those things that draw the attention of the non-believer? The things that lead them to investigate and seek answers."
Shroud of Turin PING for the Shroud group...
No one worships it; never have, so please give up that tired old saw, ok? Sheesh.
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Very good answer. One could also ask, “What impact does the Cross have on your eternity?”
They are both *things.* yet they lead us to and cause us to focus on HIM. Our Creator made many *things* and many people come to believe in Him because of His creation.
It could be quite interesting to research how any people have come to Christ after discovering the facts of this shroud....precisely because they began to THINK about Christ.
Also, one researcher wrote “the the STURP team were able to extract DNA from the blood on the Shroud prompting the 1999 book by Leoncio Garza-Valdes The DNA of God? This leads to the question of whether or not there could be another DNA sample from a different source relating to Jesus that could be used to cross-reference the Shroud DNA, if so that could solve the Shroud mystery once and for all.”
If the Church ever requested this to be compared with the DNA from one of the Eucharistic miracle sources (Lanciano, Italy comes to mind), we might discover some FAR more interesting information.
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Thank you for the ping. Everything about the Shroud fascinates me. I believe Christ left it here for those of us who need outward signs more than others. It’s a gift!
It’s HER Immaculate Conception [Blessed Mary Ever Virgin], celebrated on December 8th. HER Nativity is celebrated on September 8th.
HIS Conception was the Annunciation as celebrated on March 25th. HIS Nativity is celebrated on December 25th.
Nonsense. “It is not I that live but Christ that lives in me”.
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Give credit where credit is due, and it ain't you.
Believe what you will. Replacing one law with another law is still living under a law. I live under grace.
That was completely out of line.
It was in reply to a post that was hateful, self righteous, acccusatory, biased and disingenuous.
All things the devil would certainly approve of.
Nice post! You said it beautifully, and in very few words.
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