ONE mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus

Bible 1 Timothy 2:5 | 2012 | BibleTruth

[bibletruth]

1 Timothy 2:5 ...one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

If there is a debate here then it must follow Bible Scriptures to advocate reproofs, corrections, and instructions on how God the Father has ordained and appointed someone other than HIS SON Christ Jesus as that mediator. In light of 1 Timothy 2:5 - there is no debate here since God's Word clearly points out that that mediator is is Christ Jesus, who has been appointed 2,000 years ago between God and men.

[Cronos]

2 Tim 1:3 shows Paul asking others to pray for him 3 I thank God, whom I serve, as my ancestors did, with a clear conscience, as night and day I constantly remember you in my prayers. just as we ask others whether here on this earth or alive in Christ on the next (through God's grace) to join us in our prayers to Christ.

[Cronos]

Makes it sound like Mary herself was the one who produced Jesus. The *fruit* of her womb?

does a mother "produce" her child? Really?

Perhaps a basic lesson in Christianity would help -- your mother didn't create you -- God did

I don't know what your philosophy says, but for us Christians whether Orthodox/Catholic/Oriental/Lutheran or Presbyterians or Pentecostals or Baptists or Methodists etc. believe that God created us, not our mothers

What else does your philosophy teach? We Christians (all the ones I mentioned above, plus also the non-Trinitarians like Oneness Pentecostals, etc. ) believe that God created everything that is seen and unseen. Question -- do believe that mother's create their children's souls?

[Cronos]

And what do you presume that Mary did not get there before you?

some folks have their own interpretation of scripture that they will get to heaven first, leading the way and that they will be rulers (or even secondary Goddesses) ruling over everyone else -- ruling over mary, paul, peter, etc. etc.

[Cronos]

There is no reason whatsoever, except a lame polemical one, for saying that the offspring of a woman, especially one who had known no man, could not be referred to as the "fruit of her womb."

Well there is another reason. Some folks reject the idea that God could become man. They prefer to think that Jesus was just a spirit, never man. They may even modify it slightly to say that He was a spirit who possesed a man.

Strange beliefs, right metmom, robby, aruanan?

[Cronos]

God could reveal the need to...Haven't you ever heard someone say, or even said yourself, God put it on my heart to pray for you?

well said. Some don't believe that they should pray for others -- egotistical it would seem, right?

[Cronos]

JESUS IS THE WORD

say, question: didn't you say that only the Bible is the Word? that the Bible and not Jesus Christ is the LIVING WORD OF GOD?

have you changed your mind back to what we Christians have believed since Apostolic Times - that Jesus Christ is the Word of God and the Bible, the Written Word is not the entire Word of God?

[Cronos]

pms: It doesn't matter what you think nor say

ok, your posts do indicate that

[Cronos]

pms: a man without The Spirit cannot understand the things and ways of God.

ok, question: is it that the only dude with that is you? Wow....

[Cronos]

Scripture clearly states in Rev 5:8 that the prayers of saints continue in heaven. your statement above distorted scripture -- scripture talks of conversing with the dead as not being allowed, not about asking those alive in Christ to pray for us...

do read the bible and learn the truth -- not as your article said that the Psalms are not to be read by Christians..

[Cronos]

Robby: This is how I interpret the Scriptures -- robby, your interpretation doesn't matter to some guys. It's only their own personal interpretation that matters -- they believe that only they are possesed by spirits and can understand the things and ways of God -- almost shamanistic...

[Cronos]

Nobody is so stupid as to believe something without checking it .

well we've read your posts.

[Cronos]

metmom: People know that but some people will not let the truth stand in their way of discrediting others. -- you mean that you don't know that he Oneness Pentecostalism DOES deny the trinity. They believe in the Oneness doctrine that there is one God, a singular spirit who manifests himself in many different ways, including as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They baptise in the name of Jesus Christ, commonly referred to as Jesus-name baptism, rather than using the Trinitarian formula.

Wow... lack of biblical knowledge coupled with lack of historic etc. knowledge and now lack of knowledge on pentecostalism. tsk. tsk.

[Cronos]

the thing is that pentecostalism is a very loose term. As I pointed out above, besides the non-Trinitarian Oneness Pentecostals you have the really way-out there "Word of God" folks like Benny Hinn.

Oneness folks -- at least the one poster I've interacted with on FR, give me a good impression of sane, believing folks. I disagree with them of course, but they are civil and reasonable.

but the Benny hinn and Jesse Duplantis and other con-men followers, well, they're just loony - many seem to believe that aliens from mars are amongst us and those aliens are genetically created robots created by fallen angels to lead men astray (yes, kooky, isn't it)

I of course do not hold that these wacked out folks have any theological similarities with others who call themselves pentecostals, but strangely enough no pentecostal posters ever call these guys out for those wacked out beliefs... but hey..

[circlecity]

ALL scripture is someone’s personal interpretation if not by the Holy Spirit.If you can’t interpret scripture you very likely not a saved Christian.

[metmom]

More clearly, mediator is the “go-between”, and 1 Tim says what has always been believed and is still believed by all of orthodoxy — that all prayers etc. go through Christ alone.

Now you're saying that nobody prays to Mary and the saints?

Well, one position is being misrepresented. Either Catholics pray to Christ alone for real, or Catholics pray to Mary and saints to get to Christ to get to God.

The minute someone else is added to the mix, the person is not going through Christ ALONE.

[metmom]

When the father is speaking of his child, born by the mother, he refers to the child as being the "fruit of his loins."

I never encountered a single man who has ever referred to his children in that manner.

Ever......

[metmom]

This is how I interpret the Scriptures. Who is the first human being actually to encounter Jesus? Who is the first to say . yes to Him

Abraham.....

And it is presumptuous of you to say that the Spirit informs you but not me.

And the Bible tells us that.

[metmom]

Do read the Bible, bt, it is not good to distort it. Leviticug talks of mediums and conversing with the dead. Through God's grace if one asks others, whether on this world or alive in Christ in the next, to pray for us is not the same.

If talking to someone is *praying* to them, as Catholics constantly tell us it is in a bid to justify asking each other to pray for each other, then talking to a dead saint or Mary is *conversing* with them, even if they don't answer back, because at the very least, *conversing* is a legitimate synonym for *talking*.

[ShadowAce]

There is another possibility that certainly does not require omniscience. God could reveal the need to Mary or the other saints.

Then why pray to Mary at all? If God hear the prayer first, why not just pray to Him? Why add the extra two steps (God gives it to Mary, Mary then intercedes for us) ? Why not go straight to the source and rely on His promises?

[metmom]

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

That doesn't allow for divided loyalties.