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Saul And The Charismatics...
http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/saul-and-the-charismatics/ ^ | 02-14-12 | Bill Randles

Posted on 02/14/2012 4:00:49 PM PST by pastorbillrandles

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To: evangmlw

The rapture may be today! :)


41 posted on 02/15/2012 6:19:12 AM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: pastorbillrandles

I don’t know your heart.

Your tone was more moderate than some.

However, your post was extremely lop-sided.

You’d be the best one to answer the question.


42 posted on 02/15/2012 6:39:46 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

Well put.

Agreed.


43 posted on 02/15/2012 6:40:35 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Zuriel

He’s tireless, even using our ‘fearless leader’ (cough) to quote Jesus concerning the sharing with others, yet still endorsing the killing of the unborn. Satan’s had thousands of years to trick man in every way imaginable. Thankfully his time is about up.


INDEED.

Praise God for The Return Of The King.


44 posted on 02/15/2012 6:41:54 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Apollo5600

Of all the gifts, if I had a choice, it would be discernment.

Above all else, I want to know what is of God and what is not.


45 posted on 02/15/2012 6:45:33 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

It depends on the congregation.

The Lord’s PRESENCE in any demonstrable form

is literally

THE GREATEST ‘SHOW’ ON EARTH in a list of ways.

And for most individuals sick of phoney, shallow, milque toasty fare that passes for most of Christianity—HIS PRESENCE is a dramatically DIFFERENT experience easy to get excited about.

I don’t blame folks for getting excited and wanting to do any and everything they can to facilitate a ‘repeat performance.’

However, it is true that solid Biblical teaching needs to be thoroughly involved before, during and after any and everything we do in Christianity—including experiencing God’s Acts 2 maniffestations etc.


46 posted on 02/15/2012 6:47:19 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: marbren

I now have a couple of the translations from the Aramaic on my Kindle. Interesting to see the comparisons.

I’m not KJV only but I’m thankful that’s what my memory is of.


47 posted on 02/15/2012 6:50:49 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Thanks Quix, I will consider. It is because I believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the present day excercise of the gifts, that I offer ny critique. I am a blessed Pentecostal, and much of what I wrote about has been my journey.


48 posted on 02/15/2012 7:13:25 AM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

no sweat.

As a mostly life-long Pentecostal . . . I certainly understand your concerns.

Thx.


49 posted on 02/15/2012 7:52:36 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
God's greatest work is in the heart and with a transformed life. It's not as showy, but it also does not leave room for spiritual pride, creating a *have's* vs *have not's* mentality.

There is so much judgment involved in the Charismatic movement, all based on outward appearances instead of the inward working of God in one's life which does not draw attention to self.

The reasons we are given power are these, not for show or display.....

Ephesians 3:14-19 14 For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, 15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, 16 that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may have strength to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

Colossians 1:9-14 9 And so, from the day we heard, we have not ceased to pray for you, asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of his will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, 10 so as to walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing to him, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God. 11 May you be strengthened with all power, according to his glorious might, for all endurance and patience with joy, 12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in light. 13 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

50 posted on 02/15/2012 7:59:10 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: evangmlw
Brother, I must say that, in my not inconsiderable experience with Charismatics, there is a very fundamental difference which will forever separate them from Baptists. Whereas Baptists look to a God who is largely external to themselves for the hope of salvation, every single Charismatic I have known relies upon a claimed (borderline Gnostic) knowledge of God "within". I really think that if the words "self discovery" are banished, the communication of the Charismatic faith becomes almost impossible. The denial of self is not a key feature of their practiced believes, in my experience.
51 posted on 02/15/2012 8:03:05 AM PST by Brass Lamp
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To: metmom

PLENTY TRUE.


52 posted on 02/15/2012 8:06:37 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
Quix I am not being legalistic about the KJV. I just think Mike Hoggard is interesting and appreciate his perspective. Here is my advice for everyone Read your Bible and have a relationship with The Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ IS 100% THE TRUTH!
53 posted on 02/15/2012 8:06:46 AM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: metmom

PLENTY TRUE.


54 posted on 02/15/2012 8:07:22 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Brass Lamp

Then your experience is unfortunate and anemic, at best, imho.

The most self-sacrificing Christians I’ve ever known have been Charismatics/Pentecostals.

It is SCRIPTURE

WHICH INSISTS that

WE ARE *IN* CHRIST

AND

CHRIST IS *IN* US.

Take the issue up with HIM.

Obviously that IS THE TRUTH

else Christ would not have said it.

Denial of THE TRUTH does not cancel THE TRUTH.


55 posted on 02/15/2012 8:10:28 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: marbren

UNDERSTAND.

Agreed.


56 posted on 02/15/2012 8:10:54 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

What I see every Sunday in church is a huge emphasis on the Spirit.

HE’S the one being invited to come and join us during the worship service, as if He’s not there anyway. And the focus is on what the Holy Spirit is going to do through us and in us in the way of miracles, especially healing, with a huge does of tongues and prophesying thrown in for good measure.

And the biggest concern I have about the prophesying, is that there is no record being kept of the prophesies and their fulfillment, thus providing no opportunity to weed out the false prophets.


57 posted on 02/15/2012 8:21:15 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Quix
Then your experience is unfortunate and anemic, at best, imho. The most self-sacrificing Christians I’ve ever known have been Charismatics/Pentecostals.

So my post was wrong?

It is SCRIPTURE WHICH INSISTS that WE ARE *IN* CHRIST AND CHRIST IS *IN* US. Take the issue up with HIM. Obviously that IS THE TRUTH else Christ would not have said it. Denial of THE TRUTH does not cancel THE TRUTH.

So my post was right?

58 posted on 02/15/2012 8:21:15 AM PST by Brass Lamp
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To: Quix
The truth in scripture is only found through the relationship we have IN The Lord Jesus Christ. It is spiritual. The flesh cannot understand The Word of God. Satan has more head knowledge of God's word than any fleshy human being. We that are born again IN The Lord Jesus Christ have Christ IN us! God's Word is written on our hearts. We know it by heart! God's Word is alive IN us.

Everyone has the opportunity to accept this gift of God's grace NOW. The age of grace is coming to a close. The rapture may be today! :)

59 posted on 02/15/2012 8:24:23 AM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: Brass Lamp

Ask The Lord how right and how wrong your post was.

Jesus said His sheep hear His VOICE.

If you hear His voice outside of you, please let me know. I’m interested in such cases.


60 posted on 02/15/2012 10:11:57 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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