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LDS Proxy Marriage Rites Bind Slaves to Slavemasters for Eternity, including Jefferson and Hemmings
Religious Dispatches ^ | 04/02/2012 | Joanna Brooks

Posted on 04/02/2012 9:05:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Yesterday, Religion Dispatches contributor Max Mueller published a piece at Slate detailing posthumous marriage rites performed in LDS temples that have wed Mormon and non-Mormon slaveholders to their former slave concubines—including Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings.

The article sheds light on another form of posthumous religious rites performed in LDS temples. In addition to posthumous baptisms, LDS Church members routinely perform proxy temple marriages or “sealings” for their ancestors and other deceased couples. Church doctrine teaches that marriages performed within LDS temples “seal” husband and wife together not only for mortality but for eternity.

Mormonism uniquely emphasizes eternal marriage as a rite necessary to enter the highest levels of heaven. Viewed through this theological prism (and with a generous dose of romantic idealism about the quality of most human marriages), the practice of posthumous sealings has special warmth for LDS people.

But sealing deceased slaves to their slavemasters? Thomas Jefferson to Sally Hemmings? A relationship that emblematizes slavery’s most complicated and intimate forms of exploitation?

Because such relationships entailed coerced concubinage and, often, rape, Mueller writes, “Sealing a slave master to his slave is at least as troubling as the baptism of Holocaust victims, the practice of which the LDS Church has officially condemned.”

I’m not sure how to judge which is more troubling. But I do know that Mueller’s thoughtful, well-researched, carefully composed essay not only hits hot button issues like Mormons’ historic racial discrimination and contemporary racial insensitivity and the doctrinal persistence of polygamy—after all temple sealing policies permitted a polygamous sealing of Jefferson to Martha Jefferson and Sally Hemmings—but also gestures towards profound ethical and religious questions.

For their part, Mormons have tried to answer questions about posthumous baptisms and sealings by explaining that no posthumous rite is considered binding and that the efficacy of all rites depends on acceptance by the soul of the deceased.

But one element that has consistently gone missing from conversations I’ve witnessed in LDS circles is the acknowledgment that other religious traditions also have theological views of memory, the afterlife, and the connection between the dead and the living. From these non-Mormon perspectives, Mormon posthumous rites appear as a presumptuous claim on humanity’s dead.

Can one religion claim humanity’s dead? What if humanity’s dead are a sacred collective resource—a sacred public domain? There are norms of civility and respect that govern religious conduct in public domains, conditions absolutely necessary to the free exercise of religion without the fear of encroachment or imposition. Extraction of the names of strangers from public records for religious rites, as has been historical Mormon practice, may be viewed by non-Mormons as an uneasy fit with commonly held norms of religious freedom, interfaith deference, and cooperation.

What do Mormons owe to the other human beings with whom we share custody for humanity’s dead: human beings who may have similarly strong religious feelings about their ancestors, and who would like to see those ancestors rest in peace, without their names being said by strangers in unwelcome ceremonies? Or to those who would like to see their ancestors travel on, without being summoned by name back to traumatic relationships they did not choose?

To whom do the dead belong?

 


TOPICS: History; Other Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: lds; mormon; mormonism; wehatemormons

1 posted on 04/02/2012 9:06:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

LDS is a cult and these “rites” are all meaningless. The dead belong to the God Who made them, and He shall judge where and how they will spend eternity.


2 posted on 04/02/2012 9:10:26 AM PDT by ruesrose (It's possible to be clueless without being blonde.)
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To: ruesrose

It’s a cult with a lot of money and influence. Its also satanic and needs to be confronted with the truth.


3 posted on 04/02/2012 9:15:18 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: SeekAndFind
LDS...
theological/ritualist nut-jobs

Pardon blunt assessment...
(you can't make this stuff up)

4 posted on 04/02/2012 9:16:53 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Another example of how mormonism still practices polygamy.


5 posted on 04/02/2012 9:17:49 AM PDT by svcw (Romney/BHO only difference - one thinks he will be god, they other one thinks he already is.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Expect more articles like this inthe mainstream meadia should mittens be given the nod.

The Liberal Rally cry will be:

“Obama 2012, cause Romney’s religion is weird....”
(and Dems can denigrate religion because they are “tolerant” )


6 posted on 04/02/2012 9:18:04 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: SeekAndFind
How can it be binding when neither "bride" or "groom" can be present to say their I Do's?

7 posted on 04/02/2012 9:22:11 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: SeekAndFind

You’d have to be insane to worry about something like this.


8 posted on 04/02/2012 9:26:16 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: GraceG

Nope.
It will be Obama 2012, because Romney is just like me.
Or why go with Romney when we are the same, Obama 2012.


9 posted on 04/02/2012 9:27:16 AM PDT by svcw (Romney/BHO only difference - one thinks he will be god, they other one thinks he already is.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not disagreeing, but we do have religious freedom, those things Mormons do and teach are religion just like some other Church doctrines that are known of.

Never mind that it is not truth, the first amendment protects freedom of religion and take that away and we would be cutting our own throats as we would not be able to preach the Gospel because the Gospel has been equated with religion.

And up until the time when people wake up and realize that religion may or may not have anything to do with Jesus ( the son of God ) and his Gospel we are going to need to defend freedom of religion, because there is no such amendment that protect the freedom of truth which can only come from the gospel of Jesus.


10 posted on 04/02/2012 9:29:48 AM PDT by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: ravenwolf

The mormons can do what they want, who has said otherwise?
As Christians we are commanded to call out false prophets, that is what this article is doing.
mormonism was started by a false prophet, it needs to be exposed for what it is - blasphemy.


11 posted on 04/02/2012 9:38:18 AM PDT by svcw (Romney/BHO only difference - one thinks he will be god, they other one thinks he already is.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You are probably a smart man. Too bad your hate for Mormons keeps you from working for something that really counts, such as the defeat of Obama.


12 posted on 04/02/2012 9:45:59 AM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: SeekAndFind
What's interesting is that these stories are now showing up in Left media like Slate. As soon as Romney becomes a certainty, I would expect these stores to then go into the MSM broadcast branch. Will reporters then be raising these issues with Romney on the trail? All these people breathing a sigh of relief that Santorum with his supposed extreme views on JFK etc. is no longer a possibility may be in for rude awakening.
13 posted on 04/02/2012 9:54:32 AM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hmmmmm? . . . . . . . . Let’s now . . .

Posthumous marriage rites + Slate + 1st of April = ?


14 posted on 04/02/2012 10:28:54 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: SeekAndFind
Church doctrine teaches that marriages performed within LDS temples “seal” husband and wife together not only for mortality but for eternity.

If that is true I guess I'll have to convert. I was widowed, as was my current wife. If I'm still married to my late wife, I'd better change to Mormanism so I'll be allowed to have multiple wives.

15 posted on 04/02/2012 10:30:36 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: MindBender26

You are probably a smart man, to bad you can’t tell the difference between exposing mormonism and the love of all and want none to be denied God Almighty.


16 posted on 04/02/2012 10:43:44 AM PDT by svcw (Romney/BHO only difference - one thinks he will be god, they other one thinks he already is.)
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To: svcw

Quoting from YOUR tag line: “Romney/BHO only difference - one thinks he will be god, they other one thinks he already is.”

Any fool who believes that... and admits it... needs to be back in The Home.

They are also demonstrating that they are far from Conservative, but rather a religious fanatic... and we don’t need any more Taliban here, we need fewer Obama’s in office.

Articles like this idiocy only serve to help Obama stay in office.


17 posted on 04/02/2012 11:01:24 AM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Whether it’s true or not, this is the garbage we will have to put up with in the fall if Romney is the nominee. How do you begin to defend against this kind of thing? This line of attacks will chop Romney down another 10 points by November. I will definitely vote for Mitt come Election Day, but I am not happy about having to defend religious weirdness.

I suppose I could argue that Mitt grew up in it, he’s a person of deep loyalty, etc., ......help!


18 posted on 04/02/2012 11:08:21 AM PDT by cookcounty (Newt 2012: ---> Because he got it DONE.)
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To: cookcounty

People will go out of the way to cast dirt on the LDS church, so far as to work the system within the church to arrange smutty associations then step outside and claim the work was an honest and legitimate intention of misguided members. It’s kind of like sabotage, Those doing it are turning around and denouncing it. LDS church policy is to keep a lid on it, and excommunicate those intentionally responsible. It’s been as simple as getting a gullible person to take a dubious ordinance request to the temple and submit it.


19 posted on 04/02/2012 11:21:11 AM PDT by Sundog (When Hollywood defines reality there is none.)
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To: BitWielder1
How can it be binding when neither "bride" or "groom" can be present to say their I Do's?

My understanding, derived from Mormon relatives, is that it is only 'binding' IF the deceased in Paradise accept.

IOW, like "baptism for the dead", it is conditional; and it is all LDS BS, since:

Matt 22:29-30

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
KJV

20 posted on 04/02/2012 11:44:01 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The difference between "bad" & "worse" is more noticeable than that between "good" & "better")
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To: MindBender26

OMG!!!! You are sooooo funny.
Apparently you know nothing of mormonism, part of their doctrine is that men become gods of their own planets.
Apparently you also equate the exposure of mormonism with the taliban, that is completely delusional.
Apparently you are unaware that we as Christians are commanded by THE God Almighty to expose false prophets.
Apparently you actually beleive that a person who exposes false prophets as commanded excludes one from being a conservative, well then buddy I am no conservative.


21 posted on 04/02/2012 11:54:46 AM PDT by svcw (Romney/BHO only difference - one thinks he will be god, they other one thinks he already is.)
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To: throwback

It doesn’t matter who the nominee is, the media and Obama will launch a firestorm of hate and lies to destroy him. Their campaign to the Left will be that he’s a right-wing fanatic and to the Right they’ll claim he’s not really a conservative.


22 posted on 04/02/2012 12:04:39 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: svcw

Don’t let the mitt-bots grind you down.


23 posted on 04/02/2012 12:20:56 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: svcw

What the hell does all that have to do with getting rid of Obama?

No, actually, I see you, not Mormons, as much like the Taliban. Remember, be sure to hate anyone not as closed minded as you are.


24 posted on 04/02/2012 12:24:36 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: MindBender26

O M G!!! You are delusional apparently.
If you can show me ONE, just one post where I said I hate mormons, I will concede.
I loath mormonISM.
I loath it because it is an affront to God Almighty. I loath it because it is blasphemy. I loath it because I have seen it first hand destroy families and communities with its lies and distortions. I loath it because it leads people away from God and into hell.
If you are are blind to that, so be it.
This story was posted in the religion forum, that apparently is getting your panties in a bunch, just stay off the religion forum.


25 posted on 04/02/2012 12:40:47 PM PDT by svcw (Romney/BHO only difference - one thinks he will be god, they other one thinks he already is.)
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To: TalonDJ

;-) They are worse than paulbots.


26 posted on 04/02/2012 12:41:42 PM PDT by svcw (Romney/BHO only difference - one thinks he will be god, they other one thinks he already is.)
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28 posted on 04/02/2012 4:23:16 PM PDT by svcw (Romney/BHO only difference - one thinks he will be god, they other one thinks he already is.)
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29 posted on 04/02/2012 5:06:01 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Zimmerman-Martin liberal press indictment: Maybe the new KKK robes are black.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t understand why anyone even worries about this.

It is just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. It does nothing, It means nothing.

So why worry who they claim to “baptize” or who they claim to “wed” (or whatever they call it) ?????

Why should I worry about what a bunch of people say when their “religion” is based on the words of some charlatan who was quite literally talking out of his hat?

They are only hurting themselves.


30 posted on 04/02/2012 5:16:32 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: greyfoxx39; Nik Naym

hat, explosions.........hahahahahaha


31 posted on 04/02/2012 5:21:37 PM PDT by svcw (Romney/BHO only difference - one thinks he will be god, they other one thinks he already is.)
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To: MindBender26

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


32 posted on 04/02/2012 7:58:38 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

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33 posted on 04/03/2012 2:30:08 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: SeekAndFind

I am not sure why these anti Mormon gentiles worry about such things.

If the LDS church is right about heaven, then the slaves can chose if they want to be sealed into the guy’s family after they die, not as a slave but as a full fledged member of his family, equal to the others in the family.

And if the LDS church is wrong, then no harm done.


34 posted on 04/03/2012 3:11:00 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: svcw

The mormons can do what they want, who has said otherwise?
As Christians we are commanded to call out false prophets, that is what this article is doing.
mormonism was started by a false prophet, it needs to be exposed for what it is - blasphemy.


Right, and we should not stop with Mormonism, in fact if we expose all of the false doctrine there may be a lot fewer churches, but that will not happen because it is religion that so many people want instead of truth.


35 posted on 04/03/2012 4:50:05 AM PDT by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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