Posted on 04/22/2012 11:23:32 AM PDT by NYer
The term *mother of God* does not show up in a keyword search of the Bible.
However, THIS term does, as used and inspired by the Holy Spirit....
John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.
John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”
Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.
Likely disagreed with the Roman Church. That's all it takes to earn the label of *heretic* from them. Fidelity to Scripture doesn't enter into it.
In a nutshell, it means you were right about whatever they labeled you a heretic over.
That doesn't pass the "so what" test. Even assuming you have a valid English translation ipsissima vox Deus is far more relevant than ipsissima verba scriptura.
Sheesh, another made up by Catholics definition.
The Holy Spirit's definition of faith is this.......
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to
Is your argument that Jesus was/is not God?
So in other words the Collyridians where heretics because they attributed to Mary that which belongs to God .
So anyone who ascribes to Mary that which belongs to God is a heretic right ?
(BTW it was this group that Mohamed got the idea that the Trinity was The Father , The Son and Mary from and parts their gnostic gospels are quoted in the Koran)
Say if you gave Mary titles and duties that actually belong to the Holy Spirit that would make you a heretic right ?
Collyridians were heretics because they were polytheists. That is not dissimilar to those who believe that Muslims worship a different God.
You wrote:
“So in other words the Collyridians where heretics because they attributed to Mary that which belongs to God .”
They worshiped Mary as if she were God. What specifically they attributed to her - other than divinity - is not really known.
“So anyone who ascribes to Mary that which belongs to God is a heretic right ?”
Except for those things God shares with the saints, yes.
“(BTW it was this group that Mohamed got the idea that the Trinity was The Father , The Son and Mary from and parts their gnostic gospels are quoted in the Koran)”
False. There is no credible evidence Muhammad’s (it’s not “Mohamed”) knowledge of Christianity was gained from Collyridians rather than other heretics. No historian has documented any actual evidence that Muhammad knew any Collyridians. If some Muslims, including Muhammad, believed Mary was part of the Trinity it would simply be because they were former polytheists who would be familiar with tritheistic beliefs rather than the Christian belief in the Trinity. Some ignorant people put forward 5:116 of the Qur’an in some vain attempt to prove what you have just said. The problem is that 5:116 says nothing about the Trinity, nor Collyridians, nor Catholics. All it does is show that Muslims were as stupid as modern anti-Catholic Protestants in that regard.
“Say if you gave Mary titles and duties that actually belong to the Holy Spirit that would make you a heretic right ?”
Not if those are titles and duties the Holy Spirit shares with saints, no. Both Jesus and Satan are called a morning star. The fact that they are both called something similar doesn’t confuse me. I don’t confuse one for the other. I also don’t confuse Mary and God no matter what traditional title is used or traditional duty is described.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're forgetting this Scripture.....
"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood NOT in the truth; BECAUSE TRUTH IS NOT IN hIM. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof."- John 8:44
I may have looked a Strong’s once or twice in my life. Not an excellent source as far as I’m concerned.
The problem with your entire post is that there isn’t one source in scripture or the teaching of Christ or the apostles that injects Mary the way Catholics do. Collyridianism does describe much of what the Catholic Church is.
You're right. The truth is not in him, because he changes all truth into a lie. And he has from the beginning. That is not the same thing as saying he does NOT know what the truth IS. It is saying that he changes the truth to his lie. In order to deceive.
You wrote:
“The problem with your entire post...”
There was no problem with the content of my post - especially where I proved you or the website you’re borrowing from deceptively cut quotes. So, which is it, did you cut the defining words out of the quote or did you just rely on some anti-Catholic website? Be honest now.
” is that there isn’t one source in scripture or the teaching of Christ or the apostles that injects Mary the way Catholics do.”
Well, I suppose I could have cited Exodus 20:16 (NKJV), but I chose to demonstrate it with your own actions and words. And apparently it worked or my guess would be you would either be defending what you posted or apologizing.
“Collyridianism does describe much of what the Catholic Church is.”
Nope, not one bit. This is how it always goes.
Then can you explain why you choose as corroboration two websites whose positions are based upon nothing more that extractions from Strongs? All in all it makes your rejection of the Magisterium look completely arbitrary.
The Truth is immutable.
The truth is still the truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it. - Archbishop Fulton Sheen
yep
Here’s the entire prayer and where I got it from slick. It’s not hard to compare the words with scripture.
Prayer of Pope Pius XII
In Honor of the Immaculate Conception
http://catholicism.about.com/od/tothevirginmary/qt/Honor_Immacula.htm
Prayer of Pope Pius XII
Enraptured by the splendor of your heavenly beauty, and impelled by the anxieties of the world, we cast ourselves into your arms, O Immaculate Mother of Jesus and our Mother, Mary, confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.
Though degraded by our faults and overwhelmed by infinite misery, we admire and praise the peerless richness of sublime gifts with which God has filled you, above every other mere creature, from the first moment of your conception until the day on which, after your assumption into heaven, He crowned you Queen of the Universe.
O crystal fountain of faith, bathe our minds with the eternal truths! O fragrant Lily of all holiness, captivate our hearts with your heavenly perfume! O Conqueress of evil and death, inspire in us a deep horror of sin, which makes the soul detestable to God and a slave of hell!
O well-beloved of God, hear the ardent cry which rises up from every heart. Bend tenderly over our aching wounds. Convert the wicked, dry the tears of the afflicted and oppressed, comfort the poor and humble, quench hatreds, sweeten harshness, safeguard the flower of purity in youth, protect the holy Church, make all men feel the attraction of Christian goodness. In your name, resounding harmoniously in heaven, may they recognize that they are brothers, and that the nations are members of one family, upon which may there shine forth the sun of a universal and sincere peace.
Receive, O most sweet Mother, our humble supplications, and above all obtain for us that, one day, happy with you, we may repeat before your throne that hymn which today is sung on earth around your altars: You are all-beautiful, O Mary! You are the glory, you are the joy, you are the honor of our people! Amen.
So tell me, is http://catholicism.about.com an “anti-catholic website” or is the scripture I compared to an “anti-catholic website”? Be honest now.
which web sites did I “choose as corroboration” that use Strongs? For that matter, which websites did I choose period?
Do you believe that satan knew who Jesus was when he tempted Jesus in the desert?
satan had know idea that Christ was God incarnate. To think otherwise is heretical!
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