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Pastor Completely Loses It Over LWCR
Creative Minority Report ^ | 6/6/12 | Matthew Archbold

Posted on 06/07/2012 7:02:16 AM PDT by marshmallow

CMR encourages pastors making their bulletins more interesting but this is ridiculous. Fr. Doug Koesel of Blessed Trinity Catholic Church in Cleveland writes his scathing (unhinged?) thoughts under the simple headline “From the Desk of Fr. Doug."

I would actually love this for its unintentional humor but I do fear that it will serve to confuse many people. You really have to read this to understand how looney this priest has gone over defending the nuns from the Vatican. Check it out:

Many of you have asked me to comment on the recent investigation into the US nuns. Here goes. In short, the Vatican has asked for an investigation into the life of religious women in the United States. There is a concern about orthodoxy, feminism and pastoral practice. The problem with the Vatican approach is that it places the nuns squarely on the side of Jesus and the Vatican on the side of tired old men, making a last gasp to save a crumbling kingdom lost long ago for a variety of reasons.

One might say that this investigation is the direct result of the John Paul II papacy. He was suspicious of the power given to the laity after the Second Vatican Council. He disliked the American Catholic Church. Throughout his papacy he strove to wrest collegial power from episcopal conferences and return it to Rome.

One of the results of the council was that the nuns became more educated, more integrated in the life of the people and more justice-oriented than the bishops and pope. They are doctors, lawyers, university professors, lobbyists, social workers, authors, theologians, etc. Their appeal was that they always went back to what Jesus said and did. Their value lay in the fact that their theology and their practice were integrated into the real.....

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"Fr. Doug" is probably around 60-ish, attended seminary in the late '60s or early-mid '70s and is an unreformed, card-carrying "spirit (small "s") of Vatican II" true believer, who's spent his entire ministry spreading the "social gospel" and deconstructing the liturgy.

Just a guess.

1 posted on 06/07/2012 7:02:21 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Good guess.....

Fr. Doug will really have a meltdown this October....LOL

2 posted on 06/07/2012 7:17:18 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: marshmallow
I think "Fr. Doug's" bishop needs to reassign him to a monastery where he can have plenty of time to meditate, pray and ask the Lord's forgiveness for this vicious attack on the Church.

It is not sinful to sincerely question the Church's action in this case (or most others), but this mean-spirited, libelous attack on the Church goes far beyond trying to sincerly examine the issue.

3 posted on 06/07/2012 7:18:56 AM PDT by In Maryland (Liberal logic - the ultimate oxymoron!)
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To: marshmallow
"Fr. Doug" is probably around 60-ish, attended seminary in the late '60s or early-mid '70s and is an unreformed, card-carrying "spirit (small "s") of Vatican II" true believer, who's spent his entire ministry spreading the "social gospel" and deconstructing the liturgy.

Good guess.

FAQ ~ Who To Contact ~ 'Peace' & 'Justice' Issues or Activities: Fr. Doug

4 posted on 06/07/2012 7:28:14 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: marshmallow
Toldya About the Lesbian Nuns in Leavenworth
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - May 22, AD 2012 2:09 PM MST

I mentioned not too long ago that I was exposed to a bunch of lesbian ex-nuns (and active nuns) when I was a kid outside of Kansas City. My bedroom window looked out onto the bell towers of the Sisters of Charity of Leavenworth's headquarters, less than a mile away. The sisters who were old-school, pre-Vatican II wore habits and were generally conservative, but sidelined because of their age. The 1960's and forward "nuns" were pretty much all lesbians, or if they weren't, they were sure fooling a lot of people with their high-and-tight six-dollar haircuts, manly clothing and overall butch affectations and comportment. If a child can't instantly tell whether a person is a man or a woman, there are some serious, serious psychosexual problems afoot with the androgyne in question. And, like I said, Leavenworth was never lacking for "courageous ex-nuns", who always ended up living with fellow ex-nun "roommates". Uh-huh.

Well, the Sisters of Charity of Leavenworth officially jumped the ol' shark and have declared according to their own pagan magisterium that abortifacients are just fine with them.

Here's the citation from the Topeka Capital Journal.

Now, you may be thinking that a little cabal of nuns in Leavenworth, Kansas is no big shakes, right? Wrong. This is a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR business concern, and this example perfectly demonstrates what I and so many others (such as Karl Denninger) have been saying about the evil incestuous problem with the Marxist-infiltrators of the Church and how they have intentionally pushed for government takeover of the care of the sick and the poor.

First, here is a URL documenting the Sisters of Charity of Leavenworth Healthcare System's (SCLHS) size:

Fitch rates their bonds as AA-. Yes, that's right. They have a Fitch rating. Um, is it just me, or does that seem . . . wrong somehow?

Yeah. So, one more time for those of you who might be new or still haven't figured this out yet. The Marxist infiltrators of the Catholic Church have specifically and consciously pushed for the government takeover of pretty much all charitable functions that WERE the domain of the Church - hence the traitorous alliance with the "democrat" party in the United States.

In doing this, these traitors to Our Lord have essentially used the power of the State to enforce a "mandatory tithe", coercing every earner in the United States through the Internal Revenue Service, regardless of religious affiliation or personal preference, to pay for the services that the Church SHOULD be paying for, but has ABANDONED. That's right. The Church has almost totally abandoned caring for the sick and the poor. Now what we have are these massive for-profit outfits like the SCLHS which are for-profit middle-men who bill everything that would have formerly been "charity" to the United States government - while still trying to lord "moral authority" over everyone else by falsely claiming to be "the Church."

Aside from this being pure evil, the result is a mathematical inevitability: a Ponzi scheme doomed to collapse and failure. But then, that is exactly what the Marxists were driving toward - total systemic collapse leading to the Marxist oligarchs taking complete totalitarian control of the former United States, and then the entire world. The Church has been infiltrated and used as a stooge to push state control of healthcare, care of the poor and the elderly.

The point of the Marxists specifically recruiting homosexualists into the clergy is playing out before our very eyes right now. First, the homosexualists were charged with degrading and draining the Church of its capacity to preach the Gospel, and eventually to have the Church become operationally Marxist itself. The final step in this process has already begun, namely schisming the Church and forming an "American Catholic Church", which will be a neo-pagan Marxist "Revolutionary church" and will operate as a client and front for the Marxist regime in Washington D.C.

The SCLHS is a perfect example of this. First, they want the billion-dollar gravy train to keep flowing and so they will support the Marxist regime to the very end, because the thought of them actually cutting into their TEN-FIGURE portfolio to actually, you know, PAY for healthcare for the poor in a Christ-like spirit of true charity is utterly beyond their comprehension. Are we surprised, given that they approve of killing innocent babies?

Second, since the SCLHS is almost entirely comprised of lesbians, they WANT the Church to schism and they want to form an "American Catholic Church" that will ratify and celebrate their psychosexual perversions, ordain them as priestesses, and then let those "priestesses" MARRY and engage in sodomite acts. They need statist intervention in order to make this happen, and that is EXACTLY what they are getting. The Obama regime has declared war on the Bride of Christ, and is erecting the frame of the "Revolutionary church".

So, at the end of the day, it is all about the love of money, and perverted sex.


Finally, one more time, CHARITY and COERCION are absolutely, totally, completely 100% MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. The moment that even the slightest HINT of coercion enters into the picture, charity is DESTROYED. Gone. Adios.

Love (caritas) MUST be freely given. It HAS to be a free choice of the giver. Putting the gun and jackboot of the IRS to people's heads and necks BY DEFINITION exterminates charity. Apparently, every jackass bishop in the Western World today is either too stupid or too Marxist to comprehend or acknowledge this utterly fundamental truth.

ANY bishop who crows on and on and waxes philosophical about the state's NECESSARY role in healthcare, care of the poor or care of the elderly is a heretical jackass who needs to sit down, shut up, beg God's forgiveness for being a Marxist jackass, and then beg the Holy Spirit for a modicum of intelligence and understanding of simple, obvious truths.

Christ charged THE CHURCH with caring for the sick, poor and elderly - IN CHARITY, meaning that the Church FREELY GIVES, beginning with the FREELY GIVEN tithes of the individual faithful, and then FREELY GIVEN by the Church itself to the poor, sick and elderly.

This system worked beautifully up until 50 years ago, when the Marxist-homosexualists took over. Not only did it work, but there was even enough money to build BEAUTIFUL churches. Now the Church pays for none of these things out of its own coffers, and instead money is spent on building butt-ugly churches. There is a relatively new parish here in the Denver metro area for which the rectory - that is the priest's house - cost $800,000. Apparently this priest felt that he "deserved" to be rewarded with an $800,000 pad. Meanwhile, at the Latin Mass parish I attend, the priests live in a small, old house, and donate their $13,000 per year salaries back to the parish. That's telling, don't you think?

These Novus Ordo clergy and religious are TERRIFIED at the thought of being held to the charge and discipline of the pre-Vatican II Church and actually having to spend tithe revenue on CHARITY and embrace poverty themselves, and they will schism the Church before they turn loose of their government coerced ObamaCare/Medicare/Medicaid/SocialSecurity/Welfare gravy train.

5 posted on 06/07/2012 7:36:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: In Maryland

But the question is, will Father Doug’s bishop even bother?

6 posted on 06/07/2012 7:55:18 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: nevergore

What is going to happen this coming October?

7 posted on 06/07/2012 8:13:51 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: In Maryland
Fr. Doug's Bishop is a jacKa$$ and idiot transplant from Boston. His idiocy is legendary. He is no friend of Rome or the local Parishioner. He was just slapped hard by Rome for incorrectly closing 13 parishes in his purge of the diocese. He was tasked to be a hatchet man and may be the only Bishop in America that travels with a security escort and wears a bullet proof vest while in public. (THIS IS A FACT!)

Cleveland is a mess from the local Church to the entire county government, most of which is under federal investigation, indictment, or already in Federal Prison.

It is a shame that an area with so much going for it has so many morons in control.

8 posted on 06/07/2012 8:23:43 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The decision by the Church to allow homosexuals into their ranks provided they were “non practicing” opened the front door and invited Satan right into God’s house.

Until that door is closed, and 40 years have passed, at minimal the damnage will not be undone. Now they flat our run some diocese, trade sexual favors for privalage, and run others out to the boonies should they so much as voice objection to their behaviors.

9 posted on 06/07/2012 8:24:50 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Biggirl

Here’s a link to the Free Republic post regarding the Vatican’s October Surprise....

10 posted on 06/07/2012 8:50:14 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: marshmallow

Nothing wrong, mind you, with the Leadership Conference of Wiccan Relgious...

11 posted on 06/07/2012 8:52:45 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: marshmallow

Nothing wrong, mind you, with the Leadership Conference of Wiccan Relgious...

12 posted on 06/07/2012 9:04:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: marshmallow

Nothing at all wrong, mind you, with the Leadership Conference of Wiccan Relgious...

13 posted on 06/07/2012 9:04:36 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: nevergore

Okay, now I get it.

14 posted on 06/07/2012 9:19:04 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow
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15 posted on 06/07/2012 3:19:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow
""Fr. Doug" is probably around 60-ish, attended seminary in the late '60s or early-mid '70s and is an unreformed, card-carrying "spirit (small "s") of Vatican II" true believer, who's spent his entire ministry spreading the "social gospel" and deconstructing the liturgy."

Around here, we just call them "Priests of a certain age." Saves pixels.

16 posted on 06/07/2012 6:41:23 PM PDT by redhead (Libs can't win without cheating--Conservatives don't have to cheat to win)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Sadly, the situation you describe with those “nuns” is true for the whole church here in America. There are certainly small groups which are otherwise, but on the whole the entire thing has become a giant for-profit business enterprise, and nothing else. Catholic schools are outrageously expensive and nothing is done to make it possible for Catholic children to attend. Dioceses will not choose losing money for the sake of raising healthy Catholic children. I have seen this personally in our local area as I have one of my children in the Catholic school (I can’t afford to send the others) and I have watched them cut and fight to keep it a money maker in spite of all the kids not able to attend. Why should the church be earning a profit on teaching children? Our priest stated the other day that we have six million dollars in the bank, and yet we cannot run a school unless it earns a profit? Talk about missing the point.

The fact is that bishops are politicians and corporate businessmen, and priests are their regional managers, and that is all. It saddens me to admit it, but if given the chance I would vote immediately to tax the Church in this country at the highest possible rate. If they insist on playing for profits they should bear the same burdens other businesses do, and maybe they might wake up and start thinking as ministers again rather than profiteers.

17 posted on 06/07/2012 11:22:06 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: cothrige

Many of these schools, like many hospitals are not under the control of the dioceses. IAC, the situation you are describing developed after the schools lost the nuns as teachers and the Church turned to the “non-profit”model for doing business. Most non-profits are in fact money-makers.

18 posted on 06/08/2012 7:17:12 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

That certainly may be, though in our situation the school is definitely diocesan. Until halfway through last year it was operated by the religious order that founded it about 60 years ago, but then the diocese removed them from the parish (which they also founded) and the school and took it all over. It has all been a real eye opener for me. Seeing a half empty school raising its tuitions and cutting all assistance so that income is maximised is very, very telling.

And it isn’t just the school. Down the road is our last parish and before we left after moving into town it had a similar development. For several years there was a very large campaign to raise money so that we could build a new church. However, after all that time with people donating to the fund the parish decided to build a big multi-purpose building instead, and right in front of the church no less, because they could earn greater profits renting it out for various events. It didn’t seem to matter that the money had been raised under a false pretense because profits were what mattered. Just after this while I was volunteering at an event I was speaking to the altar society about the removal of all the votive candles which had recently occurred, and I was told that people were not always inserting enough cash for the cost of the candles and therefore it was losing money for the parish. Imagine that, a sacramental at the church was not a money maker, so it had to be removed. Instead we got those electric lights with vending machine style cash slots. I of course told them that it wouldn’t get any of my money as it is hardly spiritual to enter a church, have money sucked in by a big change machine and then “CLICK”, light! No thanks. The church lost the tradition and beauty of candles in exchange for ugly electric lights which mean less than nothing spiritually, and all for a better profit margin. It really is sad.

From parish to diocese it just can’t be ignored any longer. The Church in America is not a church at all, but corporate entity. I guarantee that no priest or bishop will choose to preach or act in a way which conforms more closely to the gospel or the faith if it ever risks reducing the number of suckers in the pew which can be milked for cash. I really do hate to say this, but it is just the truth. Tax it into the stone age and force it to stop trying to be big business and return to preaching the gospel as the Lord instructed.

19 posted on 06/08/2012 8:30:09 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: In Maryland

And let the Church pay his bills while he sits around complaining? Not on your life. Put him on a lawn mower and have him mow all the diocesan properties, over and over and over again until they’re perfect.

20 posted on 08/09/2012 10:33:07 PM PDT by michigancatholic
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