THE TOP TEN MOST SURPRISING 'MORMON TEACHINGS' ABOUT MORMON HEAVEN and AFTER-LIFE [Vanity]

Colofornian | July 4, 2012 | Colofornian

[svcw]

Ok?

[88keys]

I have an idea...

Let's just all celebrate Independence day, stop trying to convert each other or justify our own individual religious beliefs (only GOD really KNOWS!) and then just reconsider in the morning the crucial task at hand in our beloved Constitutional Republic...

I did not realize this was the "religion forum", but nevertheless, it's good to discuss these things, and thanks for your patience, fellow FReepers!

[svcw]

Thank you for verifying my objections to your posts. Job well done.

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[Phinneous]

Does this make the Chosen People super-duper self-righteous? Would a ‘non-believer’ be eligible for president to the people in this thread? Is the premiss here Romney is ineligible because he’s not a ‘real’ Christian?! Jeesh.... vote for Romney or the Republic dies. Find your totally awesome evangelical candidate (and please, not Suckabee) in 4 years...

[Phinneous]

Does this make the Chosen People super-duper self-righteous? Would a ‘non-believer’ be eligible for president to the people in this thread? Is the premiss here Romney is ineligible because he’s not a ‘real’ Christian?! Jeesh.... vote for Romney or the Republic dies. Find your totally awesome evangelical candidate (and please, not Suckabee) in 4 years...

[svcw]

It occurred to me that you may not be aware this is the Religion Forum. By definition would lend itself to religious discussions.
If you find that objectionable you might want to not enter the forum.

[Religion Moderator]

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[Phinneous]

Point taken. I suppose I don’t really care to discuss the theologies being parsed and analysed here... and I was emotionally on the side of the pro-Mormon-lifestyle post above, having roomed and served with damn fine Mormon midshipmen/officers/etc. I hereby rescind my playful interjection of Jewish Chosen-ness-equals-self-righteousness, I double my plea to hold noses and vote Romney, and the Suckabee thing, well... just find a good evangelical conservative and I’m on board.

[svcw]

Ok?

[Colofornian]

NO ONE KNOWS! No human can really define God, no human can know the true path to salvation...

Apparently you do -- and, apparently, ONLY you!

"No one knows" the reality of God, you claim; yet, somehow, YOU have such an absolute, clear picture of God's fuzziness that you're able to preach and lecture the rest of us with the resoluteness of a fundamentalist!

You're lecturing us, in effect, saying: "The only absolute about God is that there aren't any absolutes about God. And I'm absolutely right on this to the exclusion of all other perceptions of God and His ways. Only my absolute picture of God's fuzziness is dead-on. So 'absolutes' about God just don't wash...except for mine, of course. I have perfect vision about who God isn't." Signed 88keys 3:16

If you were more humble about it, you'd just leave it at "I don't know" -- instead of presuming to tell THE ENTIRE WORLD who and what they don't know about God and His ways!

When you claim "No one knows," that in and of itself is a claim to omniscience about human thoughts about God...you're claiming that you've been able to scan humandom's entire minds and have ultimately determined that "no one knows." How do you know that "no one knows?" Why are you so authoritative in such a claim? Don't you see the utter gall in making such a claim on behalf of ALL mankind?

Why are YOU the ONLY one who is absolutely right on this?

(All it takes is for one person to know God's reality and way of salvation...and poof, there goes your claim to your absolute that "Thou shalt embrace 88keys 3:16 that thou shalt not know God's nature or His way of salvation.")

Did you realize that the word agnostic is etymologically rooted in the word "ignorance?" So, if you're claim to fame is "ignorance" about God -- agnosticism, who are you to lecture others on who God is (or isn't)? Since when is "ignorance" such a fountainhead of knowledge?

Furthermore, as I have shown above, you have refuted yourself! If "no one can know," that means "you" 88keys can't know," either with any degree of certainty whether anyone can know God and His way of salvation. And if you concede that 88keys doesn't know, per your absolute standard, that also means 88keys can quietly step down from his online pulpit and quit pontificating about God's supposed fuzziness!

No human can really define God, no human can know the true path to salvation, although many people and religious preachers think they can...it's a matter of personal faith and trust.

The word "Gospel" literally means "Good News." News. You don't wake up and either read a newspaper or online news content, and then say, "Well, nobody can know anything about that news," do you? Is the "news" we read a 100% mystery about reality and events and the like?

You don't claim that ALL intake of news is only accessible by "personal faith and trust," do you? If you're a juror in a local trial, is all testimony accepted only upon your "faith and trust" standard? Or can facts be determined based upon the evidence of eyewitness testimony?

My point here is that the resurrection of Jesus was a news event. He appeared to about 500 people post-death. That's 500 eye-witnesses. He didn't just resurrect himself spiritually -- as Jehovah's Witnesses claim -- and then have his disciples say, "Well, you'll just have to believe a religious document called the Bible if you want to believe Jesus was resurrected."

The resurrection of Jesus is rooted in history -- and Jesus' eyewitness testimony needs to be sifted thru as any juror would sift thru similar testimony in a court trial. What jurors do is hardly a "religious act of faith."

[Elsie]

People have many different belief systems and practices of religion, even within the Christian denominations, and it's not for me to judge anyone except by their actions.

WRONG!!

 

Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

 

 

Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

 

 

1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

 

 

1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.

 

 

Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.

 

 

1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

 

 

1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

 

 

1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.

 

 

1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

 

 

2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.

 

 

 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.

 

 

2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

 

 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

 

 

Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

 

 

Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

 

 

Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

 

 

 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.

 

 

 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

 

 

2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.

[Elsie]

I did not realize this was the "religion forum"....

Even with THIS thread title?

THE TOP TEN MOST SURPRISING 'MORMON TEACHINGS' ABOUT MORMON HEAVEN and AFTER-LIFE

[Elsie]

Would a ‘non-believer’ be eligible for president to the people in this thread? Is the premiss here Romney is ineligible because he’s not a ‘real’ Christian?!

Hello!

ELIGIBLE is NOT what we are talking about here.

YOU are most likely as 'eligible' as the next fellow!

[Elsie]

Would a ‘non-believer’ be eligible for president to the people in this thread?

Should folks who watch Jersey Shore and/or Big Brother and/or cage fighting be 'eligible to VOTE?

[Elsie]

I’d vote for an ATHEIST as long as he (she?) didn’t claim to be a True Christian and send his (her?) minions after me for not being ‘tolerant’!