Daughter of LDS Bishop Warns Against Mormonism and Romney Presidency ['Of two evils...neither']

Christian News Network ^ | Oct. 13, 2012 | Heather Clark

[Elsie]

You have a beef with the Morman religion, I and most others don’t care.

"If you don't VOTE for true CHRISTIANITY; then that is a vote for heresy."

[Colofornian]

mi, wi, pa, oh are examples of going from Obama to toss up.

Yes. And I already listed those four states as among the seven "swing states" in post #14.

IoW, I didn't include them in the "over 40 states" I referenced.

My point still stands: If you as a FREEPER don't live in MI, WI, PA, OH, CO, IA, or NH -- your vote for Virgil Goode won't have an impact upon the electoral college vote...at all...you, thereby, are "free" to vote for Virgil Goode.

[PapaBear3625]

Nothing wrong with this at all; but it leaves the impression that you do not care for eternal matters.

Jesus was OK with having a pagan Caesar run the government.

[Elsie]

I chose the one that was pulling America only ten degrees away from the true angle of Your WORD,

Do this 17 more times and you'll have accomplished... WHAT?

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If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly;
you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.

There may even be a worse case.
You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.

--Churchill

[Elsie]

They don't care if Obama is elected to continue to destroy this country--their boated egos are more important.

While others don't care if ROMNEY is elected to run this country--their ideas of FREEDOM and ECONOMY are so much MORE important than men's souls.

[colorcountry]

When we give our vote, we must try to discern Biblically which politician most aligns itself with the tenets, and values of Christianity. When looking between Barak and Mitt, the answer is pretty clear.

You also may wish to withhold your vote for either politician, but to what end?

Colofornian, we have been allies in our fight for Christ, but it is the time to suspend the battle for now. The war will continue until He comes again, but this battle of ours has been lost - - for now.

Go in Peace, brother..... and don’t ping me if you’re looking for support in defeating Romney.

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

I allege that anyone (including you) that votes "third party" is not prolife because what you're saying is that you prefer electing Obama to electing Romney and your cances of any pro-life legislation coming from Obama is ZERO. This guy voted against saving the lives of aborted babies you may have survived abortion.

If you are going to vote third party--you are pro-abortion. It's that simple.

[Awgie]

Oops...POS should have been POTUS...ouch! ;>(

[Tuanedge]

LC, I’m all for exposition of what mormon beliefs are...but honestly, if Romney is the antiChrist, then it’s out of our hands from the beginning.

Voting for Romney is more along the lines of a “whether you eat meat that has been offered to idols” issue. Are we more offended by doing something distasteful, or by an empty belly...and children’s empty bellies.

I hate my choices, more because there are no choices. Romney may be his own brand of craziness, but he’s not a sociopath bent on destroying the country.

We have to keep an eye on him, and I support you getting the word out about some of mormonism’s twisted issues. But an awareness campaign is better than scorched earth, if Romney becomes president you’ll have a mission to raise awareness the next four years, don’t make angry antagonists who won’t listen when they will really need to down the road...just sayin’.

I know you deal with some folks with remarkable patience, I couldn’t do it...kudos

[PapaBear3625]

I'm not voting for a man to serve as my spiritual leader.

I'm voting for a man who has the job of maintaining a safe environment to live, work, and raise a family, and to create a decent economic situation.

As such, as long as I have confidence in his honesty and his loyalty to the Constitution, I am unconcerned with his theology as long as he does not hinder my right to practice my theology. As a Catholic, there are plenty on this board who would have issues with MY religion, should I ever be masochistic enough to seek public office. Good day.

[Elsie]

But they were good family men, honest business men, reliable Republicans and did not kidnap Christian daughters.

Whereas they USED to be Democrats and DID kidnap Christian daughters!

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

Virgil Good is also pro-abortion. Wake up!! The man is a misleading, lying coward who only wants to take your vote or your money and leaving you with four more years of Obama.

I have nothing but contempt for Good or Johnson. They are egomaniacs who care about their own egos and to hell with their country and the unborn.

Look, I don't want to be too hard on you because I once was caught up in this stupid philosophy, too. Now, I realize what a schmuck I was.

[Elsie]

You tell us since apparently you have some Magic-8 ball or urim & thummim that allows you to go and inwardly judge the motives of complete strangers...

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THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI

HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY

CHAPTER 16

The wicked take the truth to be hard—Lehi’s sons marry the daughters of Ishmael—The Liahona guides their course in the wilderness—Messages from the Lord are written on the Liahona from time to time—Ishmael dies; his family murmur because of afflictions. Between 600 and 592 B.C.

1 And now it came to pass that after I, Nephi, had made an end of speaking to my brethren, behold they said unto me: Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear.

2 And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken ^ahard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, the ^bguilty taketh the ^ctruth to be hard, for it ^dcutteth them to the very center.

3 And now my brethren, if ye were righteous and were willing to hearken to the truth, and give heed unto it, that ye might ^awalk uprightly before God, then ye would not murmur because of the truth, and say: Thou speakest hard things against us.

4 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did exhort my brethren, with all diligence, to keep the commandments of the Lord.

5 And it came to pass that they did ^ahumble themselves before the Lord; insomuch that I had joy and great hopes of them, that they would walk in the paths of righteousness.

6 Now, all these things were said and done as my father dwelt in a tent in the ^avalley which he called Lemuel.

7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, took one of the ^adaughters of Ishmael to ^bwife; and also, my brethren took of the ^cdaughters of Ishmael to wife; and also ^dZoram took the eldest daughter of Ishmael to wife.

8 And thus my father had fulfilled all the ^acommandments of the Lord which had been given unto him. And also, I, Nephi, had been blessed of the Lord exceedingly.

9 And it came to passthat the voice of the Lord spake unto my father by night, and commanded him that on the morrow he should take his ^ajourney into the wilderness.

10 And it came to passthat as my father arose in the morning, and went forth to the tent door, to his great astonishment he beheld upon the ground a round ^aball of curious workmanship; and it was of fine brass. And within the ball were two spindles; and the one ^bpointed the way whither we should go into the wilderness.

11 And it came to passthat we did gather together whatsoever things we should carry into the wilderness, and all the remainder of our provisions which the Lord had given unto us; and we did take ^aseed of every kind that we might carry into the wilderness.

12 And it came to pass that we did take our tents and depart into the wilderness, across the river Laman.

13 And it came to pass that we traveled for the space of four days, nearly a south-southeast direction, and we did pitch our tents again; and we did call the name of the place ^aShazer.

14 And it came to pass that we did take our bows and our arrows, and go forth into the wilderness to slay food for our families; and after we had slain food for our families we did return again to our families in the wilderness, to the place of Shazer. And we did go forth again in the wilderness, following the same direction, keeping in the most fertile parts of the wilderness, which were in the borders near the ^aRed Sea.

15 And it came to pass that we did travel for the space of many days, ^aslaying food by the way, with our bows and our arrows and our stones and our slings.

16 And we did follow the ^adirections of the ball, which led us in the more fertile parts of the wilderness.

17 And after we had traveled for the space of many days, we did pitch our tents for the space of a time, that we might again rest ourselves and obtain food for our families.

18 And it came to pass that as I, Nephi, went forth to slay food, behold, I did break my bow, which was made of fine ^asteel; and after I did break my bow, behold, my brethren were angry with me because of the loss of my bow, for we did obtain no food.

19 And it came to pass that we did return without food to our families, and being much fatigued, because of their journeying, they did suffer much for the want of food.

20 And it came to pass that Laman and Lemuel and the sons of Ishmael did begin to murmur exceedingly, because of their sufferings and afflictions in the wilderness; and also my father began to murmur against the Lord his God; yea, and they were all exceedingly sorrowful, even that they did ^amurmur against the Lord.

21 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, having been afflicted with my brethren because of the loss of my bow, and their bows having lost their ^asprings, it began to be exceedingly difficult, yea, insomuch that we could obtain no food.

22 And it came to pass I, Nephi, did speak much unto my brethren, because they had hardened their hearts again, even unto ^acomplaining against the Lord their God.

23 And it came to pass I, Nephi, did ^amake out of wood a bow, and out of a straight stick, an arrow; wherefore, I did arm myself with a bow and an arrow, with a sling and with stones. And I said unto my ^bfather: Whither shall I go to obtain food?

24 And it came to pass that he did ^ainquire of the Lord, for they had ^bhumbled themselves because of my words; for I did say many things unto them in the energy of my soul.

25 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord came unto my father; and he was truly ^achastened because of his murmuring against the Lord, insomuch that he was brought down into the depths of sorrow.

26 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord said unto him: Look upon the ball, and behold the things which are written.

27 And it came to pass that when my father beheld the things which were ^awritten upon the ball, he did fear and tremble exceedingly, and also my brethren and the sons of Ishmael and our wives.

28 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the pointers which were in the ball, that they did work according to the ^afaith and diligence and heed which we did give unto them.

29 And there was also written upon them a new writing, which was plain to be read, which did give us ^aunderstanding concerning the ways of the Lord; and it was written and changed from time to time, according to the faith and diligence which we gave unto it. And thus we see that by ^bsmall means the Lord can bring about great things.

30 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did go forth up into the top of the mountain, according to the ^adirections which were given upon the ball.

31 And it came to pass that I did slay wild ^abeasts, insomuch that I did obtain food for our families.

32 And it came to pass that I did return to our tents, bearing the beasts which I had slain; and now when they beheld that I had obtained ^afood, how great was their joy! And it came to pass that they did humble themselves before the Lord, and did give thanks unto him.

33 And it came to pass that we did again take our journey, traveling nearly the same course as in the beginning; and after we had traveled for the space of many days we did pitch our tents again, that we might tarry for the space of a time.

34 And it came to pass that ^aIshmael died, and was buried in the place which was called ^bNahom.

35 And it came to pass that the daughters of Ishmael did ^amourn exceedingly, because of the loss of their father, and because of their ^bafflictions in the wilderness; and they did ^cmurmur against my father, because he had brought them out of the land of Jerusalem, saying: Our father is dead; yea, and we have wandered much in the wilderness, and we have suffered much affliction, hunger, thirst, and fatigue; and after all these sufferings we must perish in the wilderness with hunger.

36 And thus they did murmur against my father, and also against me; and they were desirous to ^areturn again to Jerusalem.

37 And Laman said unto Lemuel and also unto the sons of Ishmael: Behold, let us ^aslay our father, and also our brother Nephi, who has taken it upon him to be our ^bruler and our teacher, who are his elder brethren.

38 Now, he says that the Lord has talked with him, and also that ^aangels have ministered unto him. But behold, we know that he lies unto us; and he tells us these things, and he worketh many things by his cunning arts, that he may deceive our eyes, thinking, perhaps, that he may lead us away into some strange wilderness; and after he has led us away, he has thought to make himself a king and a ruler over us, that he may do with us according to his will and pleasure. And after this manner did my brother Laman ^bstir up their hearts to ^canger.

39 And it came to pass that the Lord was with us, yea, even the voice of the Lord came and did speak many words unto them, and did ^achasten them exceedingly; and after they were chastened by the voice of the Lord they did turn away their anger, and did repent of their sins, insomuch that the Lord did bless us again with food, that we did not perish.

 

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[Elsie]

Heartless

And gonadless as well.

[shalom aleichem]

you win

[chris37]

Moo.

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

How does the election of Romney to president have anything to do with men’s souls? Government is not a church. I attend a very conservative, Biblically-based church—that is where I learn about God’s plan for salvation. I do not fear a Romney presidency is going to force me to turn Mormon. However, there is a concern that Islam wants to convert me, or kill me.

[shalom aleichem]

Proof? Who needs “pwoof” (Lanny Davis) in the 21st century?

But these may help:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2943518/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2943528/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2943930/posts