THE IMPOSSIBLE GOSPEL OF MORMONISM: PLAN OF SALVATION

Mormon Infographics ^ | November 27, 2012

[Not gonna take it anymore]

Do you mean Catholics becoming Mormons?

I had a couple in my store last year. The wife was converting to Catholicism.

They had been married for many years, he was Catholic, she was Mormon. Very interesting conversation.

Welcome home, I say.

[Hound of the Baskervilles]

Doyle believed fairies were real. He was a lapsed Catholic who conducted seances. What he wrote about any religion is not relevant to me.

[Not gonna take it anymore]

“he believes every word that he learned from childhood and is preached to him constantly.....as do protestants.”

Thank you for a really good post.

I was a Protestant. Thanks be to God, I became a Catholic.

[Not gonna take it anymore]

“To think that we proclaim truth about Mormonism only as some political leverage — and not for the sake of truth-telling itself — would be the same error as assuming that 55,000 Lds missionaries were out and about 2011-2012 only to expose the Catholic “heresies” of Santorum & Gingrich...anytime they rang a Catholic doorbell...”

I have had Mormons at my door as well as Jehovah’s Witnesses.

I tell them all the same thing. I am Catholic.

Of course I was telling them that before I became Catholic, so now at least I am being truthful. LOL

[terycarl]

And your point is what?

I wasn't trying to make a point, someone else was. They were condemning Romney for following a false religion that he had experienced since childhood....I merely pointed out that it is not that hard to do.....

[Manic_Episode]

"I was a Protestant. Thanks be to God, I became a Catholic."

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I was a Catholic. Thanks be to God, I became a Christian.

[terycarl]

he believes every word that he learned from childhood and is preached to him constantly.....as do protestants. And do Catholics, who tend to be even more rote and ritualistic about including a "religious" dimension of their lives...

very true, but Catholics were there from the beginning....protestants came alng about 1,600 years later....big difference!!!

[Not gonna take it anymore]

If you were baptized in the Catholic Church, you are still a Catholic.

Don’t know how to break this to you but, the very first Christians were Catholic and we still are!

You didn’t become a Christian, you gave up the Eucharist. You left Jesus.

[terycarl]

Spoken like a True Catgholic.

thank you....I'm intoxicated with the true Christian religion on earth....the others, churches of what's happening now, just don't measure up...

[Manic_Episode]

Hmmmm...sprinkling when I was a baby and knew nothing vs full immersion and confession by decision?

"God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

[terycarl]

Thank you for a really good post. I was a Protestant. Thanks be to God, I became a Catholic

I never mean to demean any person who faithfully follows a protestant denomination...there are over 20,000 of them (Denominations)..I do, however point out to them that there is only one, true, Christian religion on earth and that is Catholicism. The others are not wrong....just incomplete.

welcome back home!!!!

[Tennessee Nana]

Ah yes but it gave us our first Mormon president...

a black man...

there has to be some karma to it right there...

[Not gonna take it anymore]

Read the entire Bible. Not just a verse here or there. Put it all together.

As John Cardinal Newman said: “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.”

Perhaps a little study of history and the Apostles would help you here.

I did not become Catholic on a whim. I studied it all. I went to all the local churches. There was always something missing.

There is nothing missing now. I love the Mass. True worship of God.

I have finally really found Jesus.

I am so sorry that you have rejected Him.

[Manic_Episode]

1 Corinthians 12:3 “Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.”

Jesus is the Lord.

[terycarl]

Hmmmm...sprinkling when I was a baby and knew nothing vs full immersion and confession by decision? "God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

do you really think that the volume of water involved means anything to God ????? and confession by decision is what Confirmation is all about. Don't worry however, if you were baptized at all, by anyone, anywhere, you are Catholic....man up and accept it, get right with the true church....welcome home!!!!

[Not gonna take it anymore]

Yep, you are exactly right. Jesus is the Lord.

Unfortunately, you left the very church that he started. You left the Eucharist.

I thank God every single day that He made me Catholic. It is a gift and I am so very thankful for it and so sorry that you gave up that wonderful gift.

[boatbums]

Don't worry, ME, as long as you believe that Jesus Christ died to save you from your sins, you are His and you HAVE eternal life. Like Mormons, some Catholics also like to brow beat others into accepting that they alone are the TRUE church and ONLY their church is the "true" church. But those of us who know what the Scripture says have the assurance that all those who are IN Christ are made righteous by His precious blood. If we are in Christ, we are members of His body and we know Him and he knows us.

I also left the Catholic religion when I heard the true gospel as Jesus spoke it in John 10:27-30, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one." That assurance of salvation - something neither Mormonism or Catholicism can give - is the TRUE Gospel. That we are saved by the grace of God THROUGH faith and not of works is how we CAN know we are redeemed. THAT is the faith that was at the beginning. THAT was the gospel preached by Jesus and handed down from His Apostles and disciples and why we STILL can know it today - GOD made sure of it! Don't let anyone ever take away your joy in the Lord.

[Colofornian]

very true, but Catholics were there from the beginning....protestants came alng about 1,600 years later....big difference!!!

Boy, you have a skewed incomplete comprehension of history!

#1 Sorry, but Catholics weren't "there from the beginning" of God's People! Before Catholics were the Jews. And even before the 12 tribes of Israel was Abraham!

(You're not gonna tell us that 'Catholics' were hooked up directly with Abraham, are ya?)

ALL: This is what happens with elitist Catholics who flunk basic Bible history!

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#2 How did John say we are linked to God as His children? Having the right ancestry or spiritual ancestry?

Have you ever read John 1:12-13? 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Being born of God is the key; not who your great-great-great-great-great-great (etc.) spiritual godfather was!

Otherwise all those Catholic mob members from the 1930s -->1970s, especially on the East Coast, could claim some kind of "trump" over the most devout Protestant!!!

Jesus reiterates a present-tense relational reality in the parable of the virgins (Matthew 25:1-12). These virgins were all ready, so they thought, to take part in the bridegroom "train" upon the return of the bridegroom. They lacked one key component and were therefore "locked out." What was that? Oil for their lamps! Oil is symbolic of the Holy Spirit!

You can have abelief in Jesus; look forward to His return; fulfill all the "structure" of "religion"; have the 'proper' apostolic successive spiritual ancestry; and yet, if you rely upon your spiritual genealogical ties -- and fail to have the Holy Spirit illuminating and energizing you, then guess what? You, too could be locked out just like those virgins!

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#3 Per Victorinus, circa 280 A.D., "Christ is the Rock by which, and on which, the church is founded." Nobody replaces Jesus. He needed no successor as "Vicar" of the church; and He extends Himself as a foundation to whom He sees fit!

Peter only called himself "an apostle" (1 Pet. 1:1) and a "fellow elder" (1 Pet 5:1) and declared Christ to be "the Chief Shephard" (1 Pet. 5:4).

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#4 Christ has given a universal priesthood (1 Pet. 2:4-9; Rev. 1:5). As Irenaeus said, circa 180 A.D.: "...I have show that ALL the disciples of the Lord are Levites and priests." And: "For ALL the righteous possess the priestly rank. And ALL the disciples of the Lord are priests..."

This is called the "priesthood of all believers" -- which the Catholic church has undermined via its special priestly class.

The same authority Jesus gave to Peter in Matthew 16:18 is given to all the apostles in Matthew 18:18. Thus, the church is "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets [plural], with Jesus Christ as the cornerstone" (Eph. 2:20). Peter was only one of the "chief apostles" (plural) (2 Cor. 12:11; Gal. 1:18-19).

ALL authority is in Jesus Christ (Matthew 28:18). He didn't relinquish it or turn it completely over to any mere man. Jesus added in Matt. 28:20 that He would be with us always!

Jesus is the Chief Shepherd, the cornerstone, the Living Authority, and the Ever-Present One with His church, which includes Protestants!

[Colofornian]

(See post #58)

[Colofornian]

there are over 20,000 of them (Denominations)

Yeah, and there's HUNDREDS of mini-Catholicisms, called "orders" and each hyper-ventilating over their distinctive "rules"...

And all of these Catholic-based "religious orders" from the chart below (& many other dozens/hundreds NOT included) exploded from how many originally?

And all these Catholic-based orders assume that their rule--their order-- is the right one...because obviously...if a previous order had it all correctly, then they were a needless overlap overkill...superfluous

Hence, haven't all these Catholic-based religious splinter orders operated as a sort of “mini-denominations” operating under the broader umbrella of Roman Catholicism?

Sorry...but Catholicism isn't as "united" as Catholics LOVE to pretend...It's not -- as is oft' presented by Catholics -- one giant monolith.

Even theologically, it's not monolithic. Liberation theology has invaded Catholicism. Solid theological reform movements – like Jansenism – hit Catholicism in the 1600s.

Some of the Roman Catholic order jumpstarters themselves bounced around before getting them off the ground. Take Isaac Thomas Hecker, founder of the Paulists (latter 19th century). Hecker was a Methodist-turned-transcendentalist-turned-member of the Catholic Redemptorist order before founding the Paulists. Hardly a “model heritage” deeply rooted Catholic.

And the “Romanizing party” was itself a party that grew stronger in the 7th century. As I look at the book of Acts, I don't see mention of “the Romanizing party” in the earliest church. Do you?

Instead of all these diverse Catholic orders, why couldn't have one said, “This is the rule of Christ. We'll follow it – and Him” ??? And then the rest of these man-made orders could have followed suit if generational stability and a unified front is so important.

Year Founded	Name of Order [a 'Mini-Denomination' of Sorts]	Man-Made Founder
6th century onward	Benedictine-Based [Break-offs Included]
525	Benectines	Benedict
Early 6th century	Female Benectines	Scholastica
Early 10th century	Cluny [many Southern France orders were reformed under 'Clunaic lines]	Odo
11th century	Vallumbrosians	John Gualbert
1100 A.D.	Fontrevault	Robert of Arbissel
1701	Mechlarists	Mechitar [w/16 others]
	Dominican/Augustinian Rule-based	Note: The Dominican order was NOT initial order based on Augustinian rule; hence not listed first
1120	Premonstratensions [also known as Norbertians]	Norbert [German-born who set up French orders and died residing in Italy]...so hardly a Middle-Ages localized presence only
Late 12th century	Trinitarians [reformed group called 'Barefoot Trinitarians' still exists]	John of Matha
1206	Dominicans	Dominic
1210	Franciscan-Based	Francis of Assisi
	Franciscans also known as Friars Minor; Some Lay Franciscans known as Franciscan tertiaries; some Franciscans came to be known as 'Observatist Franciscans' others as 'Recollect Franciscans' and then 'Discalced Franciscans'...Such 'unity' of names even within the Franciscan bunch, eh?
1557	Alcantarines [Spanish Discalced Franciscans]	Peter of Alcantara
Late 16th century	Camillans	Camillus [break-off of first Capuchins and then recollect Franciscans]
1540	Jesuit-Based
1540	Jesuits originally known as The Society of Jesus	Ignatius Loyola
	Cistercian-Based
About 1099	Cistercian	Robert of Molesne [with Stephen Harding as key early leader]
1084	Carthusians	Bruno
1128	Knights of Templar	Bernard of Clairvaux
Mid-12th century	Gilbertines [no local presence only; a network of 25 monasteries]	Gilbert of Sempringham
Latter-17th century	Trappists	Armand-Jean le Bouthillier De Rance'
	Ursulines/Carmelites-Based
Early 1500s	Ursulines	Angela Merici [Later, Barbe Jeanne Acarie helped establish Ursulines]
Latter 16th century	Discalced Carmelites	John of the Cross a leader, but not founder
1603	Carmelites	Barbe Jeanne Acarie
	Other Orders – Listed chronologically
961	Mt Athos	Athanasius the Athonite
Early 1000s	Camaldolesians	Romauld
1113	Victorines	William of Champeaux
Early 1200s	Poor Clares	Clare
1235	Mercedarines [Our Lady of Mercy]	Peter Nolasco and Raymond of Penafort
Latter 13th century	Celestines	Celestine
1346	Bridgetines	Bridget
1360	Gesuati	John Colombini
14th century	Sisters of the Visitation [the Jesuatesses]	Catherine, cousin of John Colombini
Latter 14th century	Brethren of the Common Life	Geert de Groote and Florentius Radewijns
1425	Oblates of Mary [Later called Oblates of Torde' Specchi]	Frances of Rome
1436	Minims [Ordo Fratres Minimorum]	Francis of Paola
1524	Theatines [break-off of Orators of Divine Love]	Cajetan and Giovanni Pietro Caraffa (Pope Paul IV)
1532	The Somaschi	Emiliani Jerome
1548	Confraternity of the Most Holy Trinity	Philip Neri
1572	The Brothers Hospitalliers	John of God
	Cistercian-Based
1575	Oratorians	Philip Neri
16th century	Volokolamsk	Joseph of Volokolamsk
1597	Piarists	Joseph Calasanctius
Early 1600s	Jansenism [not an “order” but a theological reform movement]	Cornelius Otto Jansen
Very early 17th century	Visitation	Francis of Sales and Frances de Chantel
1633	Sisters of Charity, Lazarites	Vincent de Paul
1737	Vincent de Paul Society	Frederick Ozanam
1737	Passionists	Paul of the Cross
1835	Pious Society of Missions/Pallottini Fathers	Vincent Pallotti
1843	Similar Pious Society of Missions for women	Vincent Pallotti
Mid-19th century	Sisters of Providence/Fathers of Charity	Antonio Rosmini-Serbati
1859	Salesians [Female version: Daughters of Our Lady Help of Christians, 3rd largest Catholic order today]	Giovanni Melchior Bosco
1880	Sisters of the Sacred Heart	Frances Cabrini
Latter 19th century	Paulists [break-off of Redemptorists]	Isaac Thomas Hecker
1903	Catholic Daughters of the Americas
1917	Baptized and Unbaptized Disciples	Narayan Vaman Tilak
1933	Little Brothers of Jesus/Little Sisters of the Sacred Heart	Formed post-humously after the rule of Charles Eugene DeFoucald
1939	Sisters of Jesus	Formed post-humously after the rule of Charles Eugene DeFoucald
1958	Little Brothers of the Gospel	Formed post-humously after the rule of Charles Eugene DeFoucald
1965	Little Sisters of the Gospel	Formed post-humously after the rule of Charles Eugene DeFoucald