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11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer

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To: metmom
It's not inane. It's very relevant. Too bad. They're your guys. You own them. ,p> they're only relevant once....if you duplicate your post, you are wasteing time, the Catholic church...and the world for that matter has had 266 Popes in her history, and in all that time, with all those men, none has ever erred in a matter of faith and morals, not a bad record I'd say.
2,141 posted on 01/18/2013 8:38:20 PM PST by terycarl
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To: metmom
"But if you want to go there, can you say *annulment* aka Catholic church sanctioned divorce?"

Where did you study Canon Law?

2,142 posted on 01/18/2013 8:39:28 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: CynicalBear

I noticed that too.


2,143 posted on 01/18/2013 8:39:35 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: metmom
In their dreams......

I have no idea of what that means

2,144 posted on 01/18/2013 8:41:28 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Natural Law
>>The difference is that I accept Sacred Tradition.<<

When it’s contrary to what scripture teaches there is no “Sacred Tradition”. It’s incorporating pagan rituals, practices, and symbols. The RCC calling them "Christianized" notwithstanding.

2,145 posted on 01/18/2013 8:41:45 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Syncro
"You can NOT be born again from baptism unless other factors are present."

Please don't presume to tell me what I do and do not understand. As I pointed out in my posting Catholics are born "from above" and experience regeneration and conversion.

Peace be with you

2,146 posted on 01/18/2013 8:45:06 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: terycarl; metmom
>>none has ever erred in a matter of faith and morals<<

Who told you that?

2,147 posted on 01/18/2013 8:45:26 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: terycarl

It means that Catholics only wish it was the *true* denomination or *true* church.

the Biblical church is the body of Christ, comprised of all true believers in Him, no matter what local assembly or denomination they choose to affiliate with or attend for worship.

The church by Scriptural definition is an organism, not an organization.


2,148 posted on 01/18/2013 8:47:48 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear
"When it’s contrary to what scripture teaches there is no “Sacred Tradition”."

Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition cannot contradict one another. When you perceive that they do it is your interpretation or perception of one or both that is in error.

Peace be with you

2,149 posted on 01/18/2013 8:47:57 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: terycarl; Natural Law

Honest question: If the pope must confess to a jesuit (the black pope) who does the black pope confess to?


2,150 posted on 01/18/2013 8:48:39 PM PST by SteelTrap
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To: CynicalBear
"Who told you that?"

Jesus

2,151 posted on 01/18/2013 8:49:21 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Syncro
how many times are you going to repost that inane "Catholic church brought you the Bible and is the only true church AND that God chose the Catholic church to carry His message to the world???"

Yeah, but that is both true AND meaningful

2,152 posted on 01/18/2013 8:49:43 PM PST by terycarl
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To: CynicalBear

Well, it’s certainly tradition and in the RCC mind it may be sacred, but it is not by any means true because it’s contradicted by the clear teaching of Scripture.

So the appeal to *Sacred Tradition* may make people feel all warm and fuzzy, but is nothing of substance.


2,153 posted on 01/18/2013 8:50:48 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law
>>Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition cannot contradict one another.<<

Now that there is funny I don’t care who ya are.

2,154 posted on 01/18/2013 8:52:46 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: SteelTrap
"If the pope must confess to a jesuit (the black pope) who does the black pope confess to?"

Any ordained priest can hear a confession.

2,155 posted on 01/18/2013 8:53:00 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: metmom
Oh, Elsie, about that *inane* list of bad popes. Perhaps we need to add all those priests their church has been having trouble with as well.

don't go there because the number of "troublesome" Protestant ministers, school teachers, scout leaders et al...greatly outnumber the number of Catholic clergy...not even close, all catagories....

2,156 posted on 01/18/2013 8:55:01 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl; Elsie
266 Popes in her history, and in all that time, with all those men, none has ever erred in a matter of faith and morals

It's moral to have sex outside of marriage if you are a pope?

It's moral to love to hear the screams of pain from Christians being tortured?

It's moral for a pope to have sex with another man's wife and murder people?

It's moral to get a nun preganent and have her get an abortion if you are a pope?

It's ok for a pope to assure Catholics that it is ok to pray to Mary? And even do it as an example?

It's ok for a pope to tell Catholics that Mary can bring them salvation? And that salvation is of Mary?

I'm sure there is a trick definition of "faith and moral" that makes all of that OK.

2,157 posted on 01/18/2013 8:55:36 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: CynicalBear

Jesus told you that none of the Popes ever erred in a matter of faith and morals? Seriously? I suppose you have the gold leafed plates to prove that or something?


2,158 posted on 01/18/2013 8:56:22 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: metmom
Oh, Elsie, about that *inane* list of bad popes. Perhaps we need to add all those priests their church has been having trouble with as well.

don't go there because the number of "troublesome" Protestant ministers, school teachers, scout leaders et al...greatly outnumber the number of Catholic clergy...not even close, all catagories....

2,159 posted on 01/18/2013 8:56:59 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl; Syncro
Yeah, but that is both true AND meaningful

It is not true and it is meaningless.

The messenger is irrelevant. It's the message that counts. Salvation by grace through faith in Christ.

Ephesians 2:4-10 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Acts 16:29-31 29 And the jailer called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Romans 10:9-13 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

2,160 posted on 01/18/2013 8:57:20 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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