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‘Church changing big time,’ says Cardinal Dolan
cna ^ | March 3, 2013 | Estefania Aguirre

Posted on 03/03/2013 10:30:28 AM PST by NYer

Cardinal Dolan presides Mass at catacombs in St. Peter's Basilica

Vatican City, Mar 3, 2013 / 05:48 am (CNA/EWTN News).- An American cardinal said Sunday that the Catholic Church is undergoing a lot of changes.

“The Church is in the business of change big time,” Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan said at St. Peter’s Basilica during a Mass he celebrated for U.S. journalists at 10:30 a.m. local time.

He said that many journalists had been asking him if he believed the new pontiff would make changes within the Church.

“Jesus calls us first and foremost not to change structures, but to let God change us inside,” he said at the Basilica’s catacombs in the Hungarian Chapel.

The 63-year-old cardinal said he himself needs the changes of “conversion, repentance and spiritual renewal” to better reflect “the heart of the Gospel.”

“What we’re doing right now is what makes the Church live and it’s more important than electing a Pope,” said Cardinal Dolan during his homily. “It’s a lot more important for the lives of the hundreds of millions of Catholics who went to Sunday Mass this morning.”

Cardinal Dolan said it is Mass that helps Catholics understand “the very nature of the papacy.”

“Saint Paul says ‘I hand down to you what I myself have received’,” he said. “That is the very nature of the papacy, to hand on faithfully what God told Jesus, what Jesus told his apostles and what his apostles hand on to us traditionally.”

Turning to the day's Gospel reading, the cardinal explained that the people of the time were trying to understand what God was telling them when they had tragedies.

“They were trying to figure it out just like we try to figure out tragedies, sickness and suffering in our life,” said the prince of the Church.

Jesus, he said, “brings us back to the basics" by stressing the need for repentance and the need to hear everyone.

“Don’t always try to figure out God’s will all the time, but try to figure out what God is asking you to do inside,” he advised.

“It is a call to renew your life, to repentance of heart and to conversion of soul.”


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1 posted on 03/03/2013 10:30:34 AM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/03/2013 10:31:32 AM PST by NYer (“Beware the man of a single book.” - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

Spot on!


3 posted on 03/03/2013 10:36:01 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: NYer
I think the headline is misleading. I think the headline implies that the Church may be changing or evolving in some way -- women priests? Abortion OK? Homosexuality OK? Is the church going to change "big time"?

“The Church is in the business of change big time,” Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan said

I think what the Cardinal actually said is clear enough: the church helps people change their lives. It is in the change business. It has always helped people change, and it will continue to do so. People can change. The church is unlikely to.

4 posted on 03/03/2013 11:07:24 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I think the headline is misleading.

: - ) Of course! He was addressing the msm. What's that expression? "You gotta give 'em what they want"? Or words to that effect. And, yes, his message was spot on.

5 posted on 03/03/2013 11:13:24 AM PST by NYer (“Beware the man of a single book.” - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

A couple days ago I predicted he’ll be the next Pope. We shall see.


6 posted on 03/03/2013 11:15:48 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: NYer
Bishop Edward Slattery of Tulsa has argued that the change towards Versus populum has had a number of unforeseen and largely negative effects. First of all, he says “it was a serious rupture with the Church’s ancient tradition. Secondly, it can give the appearance that the priest and the people were engaged in a conversation about God, rather than the worship of God. Thirdly, it places an inordinate importance on the personality of the celebrant by placing him on a kind of liturgical stage”.[12]

-Wiki

7 posted on 03/03/2013 11:36:21 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: NYer

His Eminence obviously practices his facial expressions in front of a mirror.

8 posted on 03/03/2013 11:53:17 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Here ya go:

NOT a msm interpretation, from Catholic sources and quotes, and never an “I agree with Pres. Bush, Abortion is sick”, when interfering with politics where he should never be:

New York City, N.Y., Feb 20, 2013 / 02:00 am (CNA).- Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan of New York highlighted President Barack Obama’s “call for sensible steps on gun control,” noting that it is an area of agreement for the two leaders.

“I found myself nodding in agreement when the President said, ‘...Overwhelming majorities of Americans – Americans who believe in the Second Amendment – have come together around common-sense reform, like background checks that will make it harder for criminals to get their hands on a gun,’” the cardinal said.

In a Feb. 15 post on his blog, “The Gospel in the Digital Age,” he explained that he was “very much in favor” of legislation passed by New York last


9 posted on 03/03/2013 11:53:31 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne
"The 63-year-old cardinal said he himself needs the changes of “conversion, repentance and spiritual renewal” to better reflect “the heart of the Gospel.”" -- too bad he doesn't apply this to his attack on the 2nd Amendment.
10 posted on 03/03/2013 12:15:21 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: NYer
The next Pope will be the Catholic Obama. He will:

- claim he is all things to all people
- be seen as a great uniter
- be seen as a necessary change agent
- elicit the kind of worship seen among Obama adorers.

He will have a worldwide honeymoon of six months media adoration after which he will begin his real work of turning Catholicism into the religious equivalent of Progressivism. Then, he will:

- soften the church's stance on abortion
- embrace homosexual marriage
- endorse the redistribution of wealth
- decry all military action
- loudly proclaim ecumenism as the road to world peace.

He will be a lamb who speaks like a dragon.

11 posted on 03/03/2013 12:40:31 PM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
His Eminence obviously practices his facial expressions in front of a mirror.

Dolan loves his Catholic faith and wears it on his face. The only time I have ever seen a change in his demeanor was 20 minutes after he received news that Pope Benedict was stepping down. Matt Lauer invited him on the Today show to answer questions. Dolan had that "deer in the headlights" look about him. The closest he came to interjecting any humor was when Lauer asked him how the conclave works. Dolan joking replied that he was still unpacking the red socks from last year's consistory then went on to say this was all new to him and he, like everyone else, would await further information.

12 posted on 03/03/2013 12:58:17 PM PST by NYer (“Beware the man of a single book.” - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
A couple days ago I predicted he’ll be the next Pope.

Care to tell us by what criteria you arrived at that notion. I, for one, would be fascinated to know.

13 posted on 03/03/2013 1:00:21 PM PST by NYer (“Beware the man of a single book.” - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Dr. Thorne
The next Pope will be the Catholic Obama.

Another prognosticator in our midst .. or is this Divine revelation? No doubt other visitors to this thread would be interested in learning how you arrived at this conclusion and which of the 115 cardinals do you feel best meets such criteria. Look forward to your response.

14 posted on 03/03/2013 1:05:45 PM PST by NYer (“Beware the man of a single book.” - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The cardinal like Pope Benedict, is talking about the church organization shrinking and adjusting to the loss of following, money and power in the West. The Pope spoke about it getting back to it’s roots of the past (Jesus). He has competition to “change” in a way that surrenders to evil/global liberalism. The American government having the nerve and power to order the church to fund abortion pills and birth control is an example of what they are dealing with in the US, Canada and Europe.

The church ‘change” may go all the way to the dark side (come out of the closet - “evolved” and push globalism’s amorality/ fascism) or it may weed out and cut off the evil corruption of secular power and become Christian again. Reform from evil would isolate it even more from power in the West.

Either way, the congregation will shrink. The liberals (the cafetaria mob) will abandon the church and step up power and cultural attack it if it becomes Christian and rejects evil (judges right from wrong) and the conservatives will abandon it if it openly gives into evil (names evil, good).

Sooner or later the evil (global communist power players with the gay mafia “ethics’) in the church will fall because Jesus will not abide it in His church. When it does fall, it will be a whole different spiritual experience.


15 posted on 03/03/2013 1:07:15 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Dr. Thorne

Could not agree more. For those who would see, it is quite clear what is coming to the RCC. This is one of the greatest problems with papal infallibility. When anyone else (other than a pope) tells you something patently false, their opinion on other issues is diminished and so is their ability to lead others astray.

A pope on the other hand can be wrong on multiple issues and continue to do great harm. I pray I am wrong but I see a huge schism coming. If the next Pope pushes such things, People will be forced to choose and it will be a terrible choice.


16 posted on 03/03/2013 1:09:52 PM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: 1malumprohibitum; Dr. Thorne
This is one of the greatest problems with papal infallibility.

For the benefit of those who do not know, would you be so kind as to define Papal Infallibility. Thank you.

17 posted on 03/03/2013 1:29:36 PM PST by NYer (“Beware the man of a single book.” - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Glad to know you have an advantage over the rest of us sinners.

I trust the Holy Spirit not the opinions of the cynics.


18 posted on 03/03/2013 1:54:08 PM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: 1malumprohibitum
Do you realize how rare it is for a pope to speak infallibly, under the terms of ex cathedra?

From wikipedia:

The clearest example (though not the only one)[5] of the use of this power, referred to as speaking ex cathedra[6] expressed since the solemn declaration of papal infallibility by Vatican I on July 18, 1870, took place in 1950 when Pope Pius XII defined the Assumption of Mary as being an article of faith for Roman Catholics.[7]

My point is not the content of the infallible declaration, with which you undoubtedly disagree, but the rarity of occurrence.

That said, due to prophecies ascribed to St. Malachy (correctly or incorrectly), some Catholics also are on the alert for the election of a pope who promulgates false doctrine, and if such actually occurs many will bail from that particular "pope" (not from their faith) in short order.

Back to infallibility, the pope, when not speaking under the strict conditions that define infallibility, is often right, but not always:

The limitation on the pope's infallibility "on other matters" is frequently illustrated by Cardinal James Gibbons's recounting how the pope mistakenly called him Jibbons

19 posted on 03/03/2013 2:09:20 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I am not a Catholic but I have been listening to Cardinal Dolan’s appearances when they have made it to the news. I really enjoy him. He has the clarity of thought and ability to explain like few I’ve seen. And down to Earth common sense and sense of humor. I hope you are right. I don’t know much about the other papal candidates but I believe that Cardinal Dolan would be an excellent choice.


20 posted on 03/03/2013 3:13:56 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: NYer
Prayer for the Election of a New Pope

21 posted on 03/03/2013 3:16:48 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

No way will an American Cardinal be named Pope.


22 posted on 03/03/2013 3:18:39 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dr. Thorne

No, I don’t think so. Join us in prayer to the Holy Spirit.


23 posted on 03/03/2013 3:19:59 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

But God is not.


24 posted on 03/03/2013 3:24:58 PM PST by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: steve86

I agree with that, especially the “conversing about God” part. Instead of us all worshipping God together, the priest becomes the center of attention.

Pope Benedict, when he was Cardinal Ratzinger, said that this was the worst post-conciliatory mistake, or something to that effect.


25 posted on 03/03/2013 3:32:41 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: NYer
Prayer for the Election of a New Pope

26 posted on 03/03/2013 4:00:16 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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27 posted on 03/03/2013 4:04:27 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

With all due respect I doubt you are asking me to define it for others. I suspect your motivation lies in hopefully exposing my ignorance and therefore discrediting my hypothesis. I can assure you I am quite familiar with papal infallibility and knowingly used the term outside of its strict Catholic definition. It was used to highlight the potential severity of the problem of a Pope advocating positions that are anathema to God and the RCC. IMO that is what is coming. The reverence/deference that is given to the man that holds the office will be a huge problem in countering such a travesty.

In focusing on an error in terminology, I think you (and others) make a distinction without a difference. It is sophistry, on the order of “ it depends on what the definition of is is. “ The hierarchy of the Church combined with two thousand years of tradition and habit make the Pope “infallible” in all things, not just when he is speaking on doctrine of faith or morals. They do not have to claim it infallible for it to be seen as so. When that happens, it will be a horrific situation for devout Catholics.


28 posted on 03/03/2013 4:28:39 PM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: 1malumprohibitum

There seems to be a problem with understanding exactly what ‘papal infallibility’ actually entails. Every utterance of the Pope is not infallible. The decisions that are considered ‘infallible’ are not made by the Pope alone, but along with the Magesterium, which includes all the Bishops in the world, and only after much prayer and thought.


29 posted on 03/03/2013 6:08:53 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Oh my goodness, I certainly hope not.


30 posted on 03/03/2013 6:34:48 PM PST by PatriotGirl827 (O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee)
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To: NYer
While I like and admire Cardinal Dolan, I would humbly advise him in the future to avoid photo-ops like this one with the "Liar-in-Chief", and perhaps he should quote the Bible where the Lord said to the "father of all lies", "Get thee behind me Satan!"

I'd also humbly advise him to refrain from attacking the 2nd Amendment (in unison with that other guy in the picture above) while he is actively seeking increasing broad-based support for the preservation of the 1st Amendment.

And, I'd further recommend he stay clear of showing any support for any inconsequential variations of Harry Reid's "Dream Act" for excessively rewarding illegal immigrants, citing these two important Catholic sources:

"Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens."   Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph 2241

"At the same time, States have the right to regulate migration flows and to defend their own frontiers, always guaranteeing the respect due to the dignity of each and every human person. Immigrants, moreover, have the duty to integrate into the host Country, respecting its laws and its national identity. 'The challenge is to combine the welcome due to every human being, especially when in need, with a reckoning of what is necessary for both the local inhabitants and the new arrivals to live a dignified and peaceful life'"  MESSAGE OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI FOR THE 97th WORLD DAY OF MIGRANTS AND REFUGEES (2011) - Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI

31 posted on 03/03/2013 8:21:13 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("O sing to the Lord a new song; sing to the Lord, all the earth!" Psalm 96:1)
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To: 1malumprohibitum
I can assure you I am quite familiar with papal infallibility and knowingly used the term outside of its strict Catholic definition. It was used to highlight the potential severity of the problem of a Pope advocating positions that are anathema to God and the RCC.

I posed the question based on your statement: "This is one of the greatest problems with papal infallibility." You acknowledge that you understand the terminology but chose to expand its use outside its proper definition. In all fairness, you should have stated so in your original comment and supplied your definition of papal infallibility.

As for the possibility that a pope might issue a doctrine on faith or morals that is anathema to God and the Catholic Church (which is comprised of 22 churches, not just the Latin Church), in its 2000 year history, not one pope has ever erred on such pronouncements. Perhaps one of the best examples of this in recent history is Pope Paul VI's Encyclical Humanae Vitae. In it, he predicted that marriages and society would suffer if the use of contraception became widespread. 50 years later, we can look back and see how those 4 predictions played out:


32 posted on 03/04/2013 4:39:18 AM PST by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: steve86

Right. Formerly, we saw the back of the priest and where there was no sermon, you barely saw his face. Of course, I liked the dialogue mass where the congregation was in effect the choir.


33 posted on 03/04/2013 4:47:57 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: SuziQ

Indeed. And where the pope declares a teaching to be dogma. he is simply saying that it is a fundamental teaching, one that consistent with the most basic doctrines of the Church. This is like it used to be with, say, English law, where the king and Parliament did not “make” law but declared one. Declaring that a certain rule has existed from time immemorial and was now being codified. Nowadays, our legislatures make up rules right and left with little thought of how it will fit into the existing system of laws. The Church and pope are infallible because they are just passing on what they have received.


34 posted on 03/04/2013 5:00:40 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: SuziQ

Indeed. And where the pope declares a teaching to be dogma. he is simply saying that it is a fundamental teaching, one that consistent with the most basic doctrines of the Church. This is like it used to be with, say, English law, where the king and Parliament did not “make” law but declared one. Declaring that a certain rule has existed from time immemorial and was now being codified. Nowadays, our legislatures make up rules right and left with little thought of how it will fit into the existing system of laws. The Church and pope are infallible because they are just passing on what they have received.


35 posted on 03/04/2013 5:00:57 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: NYer

Humanae Vitae was not an infallible statement but an explication of Catholic doctrine based on the fundamental teaching of the Church on matrimony. What contraception does is to rupture, or threaten to rupture, the marital bond. The way that a couple comes closest to being of one flesh is when they have a child. After all, the blood of each, so to speak, flows in his/her veins. Now modern science has shown that father and mother contribute equally to a child’s physical make-up.


36 posted on 03/04/2013 5:21:32 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

Right. Let’s continue liberalizing the rubrics based on pre-school notions like “you need to see his face”.

Actually, the Mass is not intended to be like a five year old’s birthday party, Little Robby.


37 posted on 03/04/2013 8:05:02 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

Did I say we needed to see his face? However, in a large church, a high mass had some of the aspects of a theatrical production, with the congregation as mere audience. If the music was up to that standard, it could have a great effect. Jacques Maritain was converted at a midnight mass he just happened to attend. On the other land, it could be like the concert like quality of many a mega church.


38 posted on 03/04/2013 9:47:27 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: NYer

I could swear I heard this morning that the U.S. Bishops were going to consecrate the country to the Immaculate Conception.

If true, this is great news indeed!!


39 posted on 03/05/2013 1:10:06 PM PST by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: NYer

I could swear I heard this morning that the U.S. Bishops were going to consecrate the country to the Immaculate Conception.

If true, this is great news indeed!!


40 posted on 03/05/2013 1:10:06 PM PST by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: diamond6
I could swear I heard this morning that the U.S. Bishops were going to consecrate the country to the Immaculate Conception.

You heard that while watching a rerun of The Journey Home. The dedication took place in November 2006. U.S. Catholic bishops renew consecration of nation to Immaculate Conception

41 posted on 03/05/2013 1:44:28 PM PST by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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