Posted on 06/22/2013 1:01:24 PM PDT by NYer
Jesus vowed to build His church on the foundational truth confessed by a man named Peter, a fallible man as are we all, yet susceptible to inspiration by the truths he had learned from the Master. To wit: Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
Through years of study, the affirmative Words that The God has written regarding His Word are as follows:
How The God reveres His Word:
- Psa_138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Nothing more
- Pro 30:5-6 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
- Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Nothing less
- Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
- Deu 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
- Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
- Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Nothing else
- Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
- Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed
- 2Co 11:3-4 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
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Doing the work of The God:
- Joh 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
- Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Doing the work of The God deceitfully:
- Jer 48:10 Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.
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The theory that the author presents is one that relies on fallible counsel and rule of fallible men over, as well as above, the Word of The Almighty and Infallible God and His Christ, as communicated through the graphe of His inspired, infallible, plenary, verbal, preserved, and alone authoritative Word; and this author's rant against the Holy Scriptures is another gospel of a different kind. It is a doctrine that denies that The Word of The God is the entire and completely finished authority for both belief and practice of His children and His churches.
I believe that the teaching of this article is a Lie, and that the author of it it a damnable liar in his motivation; and that whatever supports him in this is also false.
Because of the magnitude of its offense toward the believing children of God, it is due this retort and rebuke.
So zot me.
Thank you for this.
wow, this is too easy to show where people who actually rear Scripture are supposed to be blessed by Scripture only
Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming [thither] went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
It is foolishness to think that anything other than Scripture can be treated with any equal reverence in any way as Scripture, and it is blasphemy to say that the writings of men equal Scripture
Neh 8:1 And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that [was] before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the Lord had commanded to Israel.
Neh 8:2 And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month.
Neh 8:3 And he read therein before the street that [was] before the water gate from the morning until midday, before the men and the women, and those that could understand; and the ears of all the people [were attentive] unto the book of the law.
Neh 8:4 And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, [and] Meshullam.
Neh 8:5 And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people;) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:
Neh 8:6 And Ezra blessed the Lord, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the Lord with [their] faces to the ground.
Neh 8:7 Also Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law: and the people [stood] in their place.
Neh 8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused [them] to understand the reading.
Neh 8:9 And Nehemiah, which [is] the Tirshatha, and Ezra the priest the scribe, and the Levites that taught the people, said unto all the people, This day [is] holy unto the Lord your God; mourn not, nor weep. For all the people wept, when they heard the words of the law.
Neh 8:10 Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for [this] day [is] holy unto our Lord: neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the Lord is your strength.
Neh 8:11 So the Levites stilled all the people, saying, Hold your peace, for the day [is] holy; neither be ye grieved.
Neh 8:12 And all the people went their way to eat, and to drink, and to send portions, and to make great mirth, because they had understood the words that were declared unto them.
Neh 8:13 And on the second day were gathered together the chief of the fathers of all the people, the priests, and the Levites, unto Ezra the scribe, even to understand the words of the law.
Neh 8:14 And they found written in the law which the Lord had commanded by Moses, that the children of Israel should dwell in booths in the feast of the seventh month:
Neh 8:15 And that they should publish and proclaim in all their cities, and in Jerusalem, saying, Go forth unto the mount, and fetch olive branches, and pine branches, and myrtle branches, and palm branches, and branches of thick trees, to make booths, as [it is] written.
Neh 8:16 So the people went forth, and brought [them], and made themselves booths, every one upon the roof of his house, and in their courts, and in the courts of the house of God, and in the street of the water gate, and in the street of the gate of Ephraim.
Neh 8:17 And all the congregation of them that were come again out of the captivity made booths, and sat under the booths: for since the days of Jeshua the son of Nun unto that day had not the children of Israel done so. And there was very great gladness.
Neh 8:18 Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day [was] a solemn assembly, according unto the manner.
Like we should trust man over God?
No thanks.
If anyone wants to they can have at it and count me out.
Hey, GC. Over here. Another one for your homepage.
I understand your sentiment, but it just doesn’t work. I’ll happily ally myself with Protestants against all sorts of bad things. The problem is Protestantism is a bad thing too - just not as bad as many other things.
Is it? In 325 the early Church had to answer what was perhaps its greatest controversy ever: the question of the Divinity of Christ. 2000 years later, one would think that a very clear answer came from Scripture – of course Christ was divine, of course the Trinity was a reality, of course Jesus was the second person of the Trinity. But this was a major battle in the Church. A priest named Arius and many of Eastern bishops believed that Jesus was not equal with God, and they had numerous Scripture passages and logical arguments that seem to strongly support that notion. Jesus Himself said many things that seemed to make it clear that he was lesser than the Father: the Father knew things that he did not, He did the will of the Father, Jesus prayed to the Father (was he talking to Himself?), etc. Also, logic seems to fight against the Trinitarian view: the eternal God of the universe was born as a baby, grew in knowledge, worked, obeyed his parents, went to the bathroom, got hungry and tired and so forth?
Christian positions (like the Trinitarian view) were not self-evident. In other words, while a strong argument for the Divinity of Christ could be made from Scripture. One could not pretend that it was the only possible interpretation. Indeed, Arius was not a monster; he was a generally well-liked priest that was genuinely concerned that the Church not misconstrue Jesus and His work. (The Jehovah’s Witnesses say the same thing today – using Scripture). The question is simply one of “anchor passages” – passages by which other passages are to be interpreted. We would point to John 1 (“The Word was God”) as clear evidence of the Divinity of Christ, but others would say that that is a heavily spiritual passage, and, given the clear indications from other verses that seem to show that Jesus is lesser than God, perhaps John 1 should be understood as meaning that The Word – this man who was born as a person – was “one with God” in some way. It all depends on which verses are considered “anchors.” If John 1 is an “anchor passage” (and I have interpreted it correctly), then the “Jesus as lesser being” passages should be interpreted as consistent with the “anchored” view that Jesus is God (i.e., is equal with the Father). But the reverse is also true – perhaps the “Jesus as lesser being” passages are the “anchors.” This raises the question: who gets to authoritatively decide which passages are the “anchor passages,” and what those passages mean in the first place?
Many, many gospels, books and letters were written by many people over the first few centuries. And the various churches had varying copies and disagreements about which should be considered “inspired.” There was some general agreement as to some of the books and letters. However, some churches considered certain books and letters inspired that were later considered not to be, by the Church. And some churches rejected certain books and letters later considered to be inspired by the Church. Who gets to define which are the “essential” beliefs? How did we got the NT? Who decided which books should be in the Canon of Scripture ... and ... by what authority did they make that determination?
Exactly! Where evil was against God's Word from the beginning! He is STILL deceiving - amazing how some still submit to 'the crafty one'.
If anyone wants to they can have at it and count me out.
And I'm out with you and so is the rest of The Body of Christ!
God's WORD ALONE is the FINAL authority for God's own.
What Church boasts not only here but all over the world? "We brought you the Bible." Really? I thought it was the Word of God. His Word not Catholics word. Then we hear talk of authority (Cartman complex?) and tradition and councils, etc . . . Did God not use Balaams donkey for His purpose? Boasting is unseemly.
"If a teaching isn’t explicit in the Bible, then we don’t accept it as doctrine!" That belief, commonly known as sola scriptura,
And right there I know he won't have much useful to say. This is a caricature. He's playing for his crowd. This isn't what we hold.
This is more typical:
The whole counsel of God, concerning all things necessary for his own glory, man's salvation, faith, and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men. etc. etc.
“Is it? In 325 the early Church had to answer what was perhaps its greatest controversy ever: the question of the Divinity of Christ. 2000 years later, one would think that a very clear answer came from Scripture “
This actually reveals your ignorance of the scripture, since Christ’s divinity is quite clear there.
Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Joh_1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
“A priest named Arius and many of Eastern bishops believed that Jesus was not equal with God, and they had numerous Scripture passages and logical arguments that seem to strongly support that notion.”
And Augustine didn’t?
“They who have said that our Lord Jesus Christ is not God, or not very God, or not with the Father the One and only God, or not truly immortal because changeable, are proved wrong by the most plain and unanimous voice of divine testimonies; as, for instance, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. For it is plain that we are to take the Word of God to be the only Son of God, of whom it is afterwards said, And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, on account of that birth of His incarnation, which was wrought in time of the Virgin. But herein is declared, not only that He is God, but also that He is of the same substance with the Father; because, after saying, And the Word was God, it is said also, The same was in the beginning with God: all things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made. Not simply all things; but only all things that were made, that is; the whole creature. From which it appears clearly, that He Himself was not made, by whom all things were made. And if He was not made, then He is not a creature; but if He is not a creature, then He is of the same substance with the Father. For all substance that is not God is creature; and all that is not creature is God. And if the Son is not of the same substance with the Father, then He is a substance that was made: and if He is a substance that was made, then all things were not made by Him; but all things were made by Him, therefore He is of one and the same substance with the Father. And so He is not only God, but also very God. And the same John most expressly affirms this in his epistle: For we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know the true God, and that we may be in His true Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.” (Augustine, On the Holy Trinity)
What stupid attack is this against logic and scripture? Do you think that there is some substance to the false logic of the Arians? Having debated many of these infidels myself, their primary method is to ignore the scripture altogether that disproves them. How is that Sola Scriptura?
The nickname Πετρος (=Peter) which Jesus gave to Simon bar Jonah was masculine, thus fitting a man figuratively, and literally meant a small fragment of stone. Thus, this was a contrast in which Simon's reliability was very small in comparison to the supreme staunchness that truth. In fact, in the same passage Simon immefdiately demonstrated his own lack of wisdom, demonstrating that he was easily influenced by Satan.
Scripture was generally accepted by that date.
It's not about people nor talk but about Jesus and what It Is Written.
what does a man have to do to go to Heaven forever?
Believe on Jesus and Who sent Him. JESUS IS THE WORD/God's Word.
Believing in another word/doctrine/teaching discounts it all. It's ONLY JESUS! You can't serve two masters!
Adam/Eve learned that too late! EVERYONE should learn from their mistake, they had no idea they could be deceived. And we have deception every since - in all forms and disguised to 'look holy', non threatening. And that is the biggest lie!
There is NOTHING in creation, more important than that one question
And one answers it by BELIEVING HIS WORD ONLY and OBEYING IT by renewing our mind by IT. God KNOWS the heart. We can fool ourselves but can't fool the - EVER KNOWING ALL SEEING GOD!
'Man fools others and man fools himself' - there is ONLY ONE Reliable ONE and that is Jesus for HE ALONE is The Way, The Truth, The LIFE/eternal.
And Judas?
Exactly. All things work to the Will of God . . . eventually.
Yup.
Not so. He wants ALL to be saved and they won’t. We are responsible for what and who we believe.
God wants ALL but not all wants God. They found ‘a better way’ that they ‘can understand’ - with their natural mind and ‘man’ fits that bill for them. When Jesus walked the earth - it was the same. Some argued with HIS WAYS and some just turned from Him. Haven’t you witnessed the same here?
It would be heaven here if ALL followed JESUS ALONE and no reason to return to bring His Own where He is also.
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