Be happy that they are not Methodist.
Posted on 07/22/2013 2:45:09 PM PDT by NYer
So much for sola scriptura. The shoe is on the other foot now.
****Really??? There are millions upon millions of Christians who have never seen this proof...So I am sure you will be more than happy to provide this proof so we can quell this debate once for all...****
Yes, James’ mother was Mary’s sister making James a cousin to Jesus. Though Hebrew had no distinctions for first, second, third etc.....that is what he would have been given the relationship of his mother to Mary, our Lord’s mother.
There were two Apostles named James, one was the son of Mary and Alphaeus and the other the son of Zebedee and Salome.
Mary is called the sister of the mother of Jesus. The relationship is spelled out quite clearly by Scripture.
Millions, upon millions of Christians know the truth. Maybe those who don’t need better teachers.
******For those of us who refuse to accept any supposed authority as being higher than God and his words, I wouldn’t waste five seconds with anyone who disagrees with the words of God...But that’s why I’m not Catholic...*****
The Catholic Church has never claimed to be an authority higher than God. The Church is however, a higher authority than the person in the mirror.
*****You can’t leave the ‘first’ brothers out...They are in the narrative...They didn’t even need to be there then if what you say is accurate...They are brothers...Brothers who do not obey what Jesus teaches...They are brothers but they are not Christians (at that time)...They are not cousins or kin since those Greek words are used in the scriptures to describe cousins and kin...*****
Disregarding the inanity of this sentence, I read that exchange again. Scripture never says that those who came to speak with Jesus are not Christians, or that they did not obey what Jesus taught
If your Bible says differently, then you need a better one.
*****Now why would you say that??? You have to know that we have bibles to check you out...
adelphos is used about 230 times in the New Testament and every single time it means a literal flesh and bone brother or a figurative brother, ie., Christian brother...Why embarrass yourself???******
Again, overlooking the inanity of that sentence....thanks for proving my point.
******Flavius Josephus spoke of Jesus’ literal brothers...*****
Josephus calls James, the brother of Jesus, the Christ. The reference is no different than that of Paul’s in Galatians.
There is nothing about other literal brothers.
******So if as you say Jesus had no brothers, who was it in Jesus’ house that dishonored him??? His mother??? Joseph??? He already mentioned his cousins so we know it was not them...
So hey, what do you do with Jesus’ sisters???
It’s your religion against the bible...There is no debate...*****
Please remember that the debate is whether Mary had other children and note that I have never said that Jesus had no brothers or sisters.
I maintain, as does the Church that Mary had no other children other than our Lord, Jesus.
James was not Mary’s son. Scripture makes that clear. And no other men or women in Scripture are called Mary’s children.
What do I do with Jesus’ sisters? Nothing.
Scripture does not say that anyone in Jesus’ household dishonored him.
Jesus Rejected at Nazareth
1And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. 2And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? 3Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. 4But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. 5And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. 6And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
Please stop wasting your time reading into Scripture what is not there.
There were three country churches in a small town: a Lutheran church, a Methodist church and a Catholic church. Each church was overrun with pesky squirrels.
One day, the Methodist church called a meeting to decide what to do about the squirrels. After much prayer and consideration they determined that the squirrels were predestined to be there and they shouldn't interfere with God's divine will.
The Lutheran group got together and decided that they were not in a position to harm any of God's creations. So, they humanely trapped the squirrels and set them free a few miles outside of town. Three days later, the squirrels were back.
It was only the Catholics who were able to come up with the best and most effective solution. They baptized the squirrels and registered them as members of the church. Now they only see them on Christmas and Easter.
Be happy that they are not Methodist.
Gal_1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
This is Jesus' brother James...There are already two words in the NT that denote 'cousin'...This particular James is not a cousin of Jesus...
Disregarding the inanity of this sentence, I read that exchange again. Scripture never says that those who came to speak with Jesus are not Christians, or that they did not obey what Jesus taught.
Perhaps it's not that the sentence is inane...Could it be the comprehension skill of the reader that is in doubt???
Luk 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
Joh 7:5 For neither did his brethren believe in him.
Scriptures says Jesus' mother and brothers came to see him...Scripture says Jesus' brothers didn't believe in him...
What do I do with Jesus’ sisters? Nothing.
Scripture does not say that anyone in Jesus’ household dishonored him.
4But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. 5And he could there do no mighty work,
Clearly, Jesus is speaking of his own self, in his own country, amongst his own relatives and in his own house...Without honor...
Mat 13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
Please stop wasting your time reading into Scripture what is not there.
So those are just more meaningless words that Jesus threw into the scriptures to take us space, eh???
*****Gal_1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother.*****
There are only two Apostles named James, one is the son of Zebedee and Salome and the other the son of Mary and Cloaphas.
******Perhaps it’s not that the sentence is inane...Could it be the comprehension skill of the reader that is in doubt???****
No, the sentence is inane.
That passage does not say that those who came to see Jesus were rejected by Him, nor does it say that they did not obey Him, which was your contention in your post previous to the one with the inane sentence.
Again, the word brethren could have encompassed all those related to Him in any way. Again, the argument is not whether there were brothers and sisters in the household with Jesus.
The question is whether or not any of them were children of Mary. The answer to that question is no. We don’t know who these brothers and sisters of Jesus are, but they are never identified as Mary’s children.
*****So those are just more meaningless words that Jesus threw into the scriptures to take us space, eh???******
Do not mistake my rejection of your convoluted debate to mean that I find anything Jesus said to be meaningless.
Rather take my responses for what they truly are....an indication that I find your exegesis meaningless.
More applause. You have risen to a great level. Brethren means kinfolk. As it does in English, when applied to common usage.
We certainly do.
Sometimes, the miracles occur, too.
By the way, are you still pushing the lie that the Catholic Church doesn't celebrate the Eucharist in both bread and wine?
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