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To: CynicalBear

“Do you ever read and study scripture?”

Probably more than you ever will.

Now, how about answering the question I asked: “Does God save men against their will?”

“But Catholics say no, that man can loose that somehow so it must not be eternal for “whosoever believes in Him”.”

No. First, what you’re saying doesn’t even making sense. You’re saying - mistakenly - that Catholics don’t believe in eternal life because they don’t believe in sola fide (a strictly Protestant doctrine dating only to the 16th century). Your claim doesn’t even make sense because you are claiming Catholics don’t believe in eternal life because they believe eternal life can be lost. The belief in possibly losing eternal life in no way precludes the existence of eternal life or even its possession. In fact, the very fact that Catholics believe eternal life can be lost means they believe in eternal life. You can’t lose what you don’t have so if you can lose it you must have possessed it previously.

“Like I said, Catholics believe it’s not eternal but temporary depending on what man does.”

No. Catholics believe eternal life is eternal. What would be temporary would be their possession of it if they refused the love and mercy of God.


393 posted on 09/04/2013 8:56:56 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
>> Now, how about answering the question I asked: “Does God save men against their will?”<<

I answered that. Didn’t you read my post?

>>No. Catholics believe eternal life is eternal. What would be temporary would be their possession of it if they refused the love and mercy of God.<<

How interesting. Once again doubling down in denial of what scripture says and denying that once one believes on Christ it’s eternal.

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." (John 5:24)

See that in red? It says has passed>/font>. Not will pass if, or might pass contingent upon. It says has passed/. Done deal for eternity. Now you still say it dependent on one thing or another. Stop denying what scripture says.

Here’s another.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. There it is again! We are sanctified. Not will be if, or might be contingent upon. It says we are. Then it follows with for ever.

395 posted on 09/05/2013 10:37:26 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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