Posted on 10/07/2013 5:36:12 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Meet "Kosher Frank"
This story needs no commentary because it speaks for itself. Jorge Bergoglio is not a Catholic nor a Pope - but an apostate. What we are seeing here are the next steps in the amalgamation of all religions into one, the prelude to the Antichrist.
[Taken from Vatican Insider, 9/29/13. Coloring added for emphasis.] [But no coloring on FR]
"Pope Francis and Rabbi Skorka make history in the Vatican" by Gerard O'Connell, Rome
... “We hold to different traditions, but we are creating a dialogue that has not existed for centuries. Both of us believe that God has something to do with our friendship and with what we are doing. There are too many coincidences for it all to be mere chance”, said Skorka, 63, who is Rector of the Latin American Rabbinic Seminary. “We come together without burying our identities. I spoke to him about evangelization, and he stated emphatically that the Catholic Church cannot engage in proselytism”, he said.
“We are not looking for a photo opportunity, but we want what we are doing to trigger a re-thinking about things. Ours is not a relation of ‘tea and sympathy’; that is not my way, and it is not Bergoglio’s way. We want to move ahead by actions, we must advance by building bridges, through a living dialogue; not a dialogue of words, but a dialogue of actions that reflect our commitment”, he stated.
“44 The next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. 45 But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began to contradict what was spoken by Paul, reviling him. 46 And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, saying, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken first to you. Since you thrust it aside and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us, saying,
“‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles,
that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.’”
Acts 13
Abraham and all the righteous of the Old Testament did not know the historical Christ. But they still had true faith in God's righteousness and were saved.
In the same way, God is able to create a faith in His righteousness in whosoever He will. These people may not know the name "Jesus" but they turn from their own sin and cling to God's righteousness.
I've thought long and hard about this. I don't believe in cheap grace, but because of the Old Testament saints, I can believe that God can save anyone.
Why is it that many Protestants struggle with the basic understanding of words? Proselytism is different from evangelism.
Read ‘Common Witness and Proselytism,’ produced in 1970: http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/resources/publications/common-witness-and-proselytism-a-study-document
It was produced by the World Council of Churches and some Catholic representatives. It is based on the premise that that proselytism involves unworthy motives, methods and messages.
Pope Francis said: “Evangelization is not proselytism.”
And he said: “First: Paul has this attitude, because it was the attitude of Jesus. Second, Paul is aware that he must evangelize, not proselytize.”
““Paul teaches us this journey of evangelization, because Jesus did, because he is well aware that evangelization is not proselytizing: it is because he is sure of Jesus Christ and does not need to justify himself [or] to seek reasons to justify himself.”
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/kathyschiffer/2013/10/proselytize-no-evangelize-yes-said-pope-francis/
So, it has to be asked: Why are so many Protestant anti-Catholics so wretchedly stupid as to not know the basic definition of words?
“Abraham and all the righteous of the Old Testament did not know the historical Christ.”
They didn’t need to, they were all beneficiaries of the grace of God through His covenant.
“In the same way, God is able to create a faith in His righteousness in whosoever He will. These people may not know the name “Jesus” but they turn from their own sin and cling to God’s righteousness.”
A contradiction, since you can’t have faith in something you don’t actually have faith in. Thor is not Jesus, nor is even the “Logos” of ancient Plato. The scriptures I have presented also stand against you.
If one turns away from their sin, so it follows that they do not sin at all. But since all men sin, therefore they are judged, according to the scriptures I have mentioned.
“Why is it that many Protestants struggle with the basic understanding of words? Proselytism is different from evangelism.”
Why does the Pope reply to a question on Evangelism with a condemnation of proselytism if the two are completely different? And why does the Pope not then evangelize this particular Rabbi, or the atheist, but respects their beliefs as utterly equal?
“It was produced by the World Council of Churches”
The same one infiltrated by the KGB, the same folks who helped bring about Liberation theology? I think I’ll pass on it.
However, the Old Covenant couldn't save. What differentiated the saved from the unsaved was faith in the righteousness of God which would turn out to be Christ.
since you can’t have faith in something you don’t actually have faith in.
One can have a knowledge of one's inadequacy and a need for God's righteousness to save one. It doesn't mean one understands all the implications...but faith can still be there.
Meet Shmulkey Gebrachts - Jewish kiruv (outreach) extraordinaire! He should talk to the Pope!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOEt0AXb5X0
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBMq2tERU7Y
I’d love to see your unbroken chain ...say to Abraham or perhaps Sammy Davis JR.
“However, the Old Covenant couldn’t save.”
And it didn’t have to, since the promise of God to Abraham was quite sufficient, which is the same covenant promise that predicates Christianity. But this promise was not made to unbelievers, but to believers only. There is no such thing as “unconscious” faith, and Christ was not kidding when he said “ for salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22).
“One can have a knowledge of one’s inadequacy and a need for God’s righteousness to save one.”
And yet no one can have knowledge of one’s inadequacy and need for God’s righteousness outside of the Holy Spirit, and no one has the Holy Spirit who does not confess Jesus Christ. And, again, the scriptures I have provided stand against you utterly.
Here’s the first 40 generations or so....
(Chapter one, preface)
http://www.chabad.org/dailystudy/rambam.asp?tdate=1/10/2014&rambamChapters=3
Did you know that Sammy Davis Junior was an avid golfer? He had a great handicap too... he was a black, one-eyed Jew.
Really, I don’t care. I have occasional flare-ups of annoyance-care. It’s different.
Jews don’t care about anything in the ‘New’ Testament or any proof derived from it. You go to websites (or have at your fingertips ready-to-paste posts) to show aspects of Judaism you can’t understand ergo-— it’s wrong and you’re right.
I care to vote conservative, keep a free country—free for soap-boxes, and to try to keep the commandments given to me.
What’s a bluff by the way? Why post proofs you also won’t care about? From the original article I posted, it’s a proof to me and not to you—not even meant to prove anything to you. (except your seven commandments of course...from a book in your canon.)
“Jews don’t care about anything in the ‘New’ Testament or any proof derived from it.”
I didn’t quote anything from the New Testament at you, but I can see how you can get confused.
Sorry....I was referring to your usurpation of a Psalm as “Gospel summarized.” I’ll replace the conversation with sleep now, as you’ve replaced one religion for another.
But earlier you said the grace of God came through the Covenant. However, it was not the Covenant that saved; it was the promise. Your words:
"They didn’t need to, they were all beneficiaries of the grace of God through His covenant."
However, saving grace came not through the Old Covenant which was impossible to obey. Saving grace came through believing in a promise which did not contain the name of Jesus.
In the same way, those who believe in the promise might be saved today even though they may not have heard the name of Christ (however, I do believe this is rare). God can reveal Himself through nature or by whatever means He chooses.
David did not have the Holy Spirit?
The Catholics say that proselytize or evangelize, they certainly aren't the same. The Jews are arrogantly claiming they hold all the truth. What none of them can seem to see is the truth found in Scripture. When Jesus came here, lived his life, was crucified dead and buried, was then resurrected and ascended to heaven, everything old passed away.
Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets. When he left this place, he sent his Holy Spirit to fill his people. The Holy Spirit has the keys to the kingdom, which is the word of God. Humans may have penned the words onto skins or paper, but it was by the inspiration from God through his Holy Spirit.
In John 1:1, we read "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."...
And then we come to John 3: 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
“David did not have the Holy Spirit?”
What kind of a trolling comment is that? He certainly had Him, and he certainly prophecized of Christ too! But, as I said before, they were all members of the church of God. Not infidels. The Non-Jews had no such thing, for “salvation is of the Jews.”
They are always welcome to come over to the New Covenant. But they are not damned for not doing so, so long as they are faithful to the Old Covenant.WRONG!!!!!!
“Because he had a point to make. He made it. You missed it apparently.”
On the contrary, I got it! That’s the problem.
“He doesn’t. People are not interviewing him to be evangelized.”
He was living and celebrating Jewish feasts with a Rabbi who, when the Rabbi questioned him on evangelization, ruled it out. It wasn’t an interview.
Furthermore, this man was already his friend from Argentina. And the stated purpose was for social-gospel, lovey-dovey peace on Earth reasons, not for the peace and salvation of the soul through conversion.
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