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Jesus Would Not Support Modern Day Socialism
TRC Magazine ^ | 2/14/14 | Chuck ness

Posted on 02/15/2014 8:05:22 AM PST by OneVike


It has been the aim of the Democrat party since they lost the Presidential election in 2004 to subvert the Christian doctrine with the claim that Jesus was a Socialist. Their goal is to convince Christians that their Social agenda is morally equivalent with the teachings and life of Jesus Christ. They even went so far as to create handbooks to be distributing to pastors of churches that will show them how to use various Bible verses to promote what they call "Christian Socialism." Taking this into consideration, it shouldn't surprise anyone that many Christians across America were fooled into voting for Obama in 2008.

Add that to the vast amount of Americans who have a limited knowledge of history and hardly no Biblical knowledge, it is not surprising that many have fallen for the misinformation on what Jesus taught (and for whom the teachings were given). These Biblical revisionists have become especially adept at cherry picking Scripture to suit their agenda. Hence, many have come to misunderstand the gospel of Christ by equating it with modern day Socialism.

My first point of contention with the idea that Christ was a socialist, is His teachings and the example of His life. Throughout the time that Christ lived with His disciples, He never worked. Instead he was dependent upon the charity and good hearts of those who surrounded Him. Now that is not to say Jesus was lazy or a bum either. Jesus was always about His Fathers business, and that business was the salvation of mankind.You will find nowhere in the Scriptures, Jesus telling His followers to rely upon those who are not willing to hear the gospel or share what they have. If the people refused to hear

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To: albionin

OK so you’re saying the big difference is that under Socialism the leaders demand that everyone else sacrifice their lives on pain of death or punishment but they are exempt so it is hypocritical. That is the important difference?


Give it up, lefty! Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords!

Clearly, He’s a Monarchist!


41 posted on 02/15/2014 9:28:10 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: OneVike
. . when John and Peter met the beggar at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful . .

Seeing how the man was always at that gate every day, it is probable that Jesus has passed by this same man himself while entering the Temple. But Jesus' position on socialism can be wrapped up in Matthew 25:14-30

‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

42 posted on 02/15/2014 9:28:14 AM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: DManA

Good point, after all, He used many evil kingdoms to punish His people throughout History.

In our day, he gives us the government we truly want. Way too many Americans today want a nanny state, so God gave us what we want.

Ultimately we will get what we ask for in our hearts.

It can either be Him, or something very bad for us.

That being said, He is not a Socialist, but He will give it to us as punishment I agree. However, only because we ask for it instead of Him.


43 posted on 02/15/2014 9:29:04 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike
He explains it all.

He explains all we need to know at any point in time but He doesn't explain all. If you have no questions you are pointedly ignoring Him.

44 posted on 02/15/2014 9:30:58 AM PST by DManA
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To: OneVike
In our day, he gives us the government we truly want.

I would agree for the first 150, 180 years of the US. I fear if He hasn't already switched to punishment mode it is imminent.

I have a theory that in America God is showing the absolute best man can do for himself. And even that comes up way way short.

45 posted on 02/15/2014 9:35:39 AM PST by DManA
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To: OneVike

Jesus didn’t believe in theft. He believed in kindness.

He would support the conservative that does his best and then personally gives to those that fall on hard times.

Socialism = Communism = Marxism = Theft.


46 posted on 02/15/2014 9:36:17 AM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: DManA
Exactly, but people die every day and go to hell.

Even on their death bed they have a chance to accept him and chose not to.

In America there is no excuse to be in hell, because the truth is all over the place to be had.

There are times in History that men never heard of the gospel, but eternity is in our hearts, and by our actions he will judge us. God know what we would have done if we heard the gospel.

He knows the future, even what would be the future if we chose another route to go home. He knows what we are thinking, and where our hearts are.

That is why Jesus warned his followers that
"Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!" Matthew 7:21-23

47 posted on 02/15/2014 9:36:42 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: DManA
I have a theory that in America God is showing the absolute best man can do for himself. And even that comes up way way short.

It goes without saying that even our best deeds are but filthy rags to Him. That is why we must always do what we do in the name of His Son, Jesus.

But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away. Isaiah 64:6

48 posted on 02/15/2014 9:40:42 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

Yep, his people demanded a king so they’d be “just like everyone else!”


49 posted on 02/15/2014 9:41:56 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Hoodat

He is speaking of faith and of gifts of the spirit, but the point is still valid, because he is not taking from the ones with plenty, he takes from the ones with little.

Their faith is so little they trusted not in Him. Where as those with much faith, had multiplied that which they had, and God rewards them with even more.


50 posted on 02/15/2014 9:43:51 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

You know what they say, be careful of what you ask for, and sometimes god’s greatest gifts are unanswered prayers.

I read something the other day that said, If god does not open the door when you knock on it, you are probably better of not going in.


51 posted on 02/15/2014 9:46:01 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

We were discussing whether or not coercion was involved and you switched from that topic to whether God offers a better deal than the socialists. I’d like to finish discussing the question of coercion. Under Socialism the government sets the rules, demands that you sacrifice your plans and follow the governments plan for you on pain of punishment. God sets up the rules, he demands that you sacrifice your plans and follow his plan for you on pain of punishment. They seem to be the same in principal. I could be wrong. Could you show me the flaw in my reasoning?


52 posted on 02/15/2014 9:48:14 AM PST by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin..)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

That’s just a deepity. I wasn’t making a statement I was simply repeating what he said to me to make sure I was understanding his answer.


53 posted on 02/15/2014 9:55:28 AM PST by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin..)
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To: mjp

I agree. In the story of the Good Samaritan, the Good Samaritan had money and a donkey. So he must have worked; he had possessions. He brought the injured man to a private business...an inn...and gave the innkeeper his own money to take care of the injured man. So yes, it would seem that Jesus approved of free enterprise, capitalism, etc.


54 posted on 02/15/2014 10:00:01 AM PST by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Right. Jesus is a king and so are the leaders in a Socialist government. No?


55 posted on 02/15/2014 10:05:43 AM PST by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin..)
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To: OneVike

The simple thing is this...

Christ sacrifice his self for others .......

he did not sacrifice others for others .......

and certainly do not sacrifice others for his self

Christianity is about willing self sacrifice. You need no law or goverment for this

Socialism is about sacrificing others, by force, if necessary, for others and yourself.

They’re not the same.


56 posted on 02/15/2014 10:10:19 AM PST by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: OneVike
The servant who was given one talent also had a wrong understanding of who the Master was. Yet even with his erroneous understanding, he still did not act out upon it.

Faith is when we act out on our belief. The third servant did not do even that.

57 posted on 02/15/2014 10:11:03 AM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: tophat9000

Let put it ven simpler

In Christianity, you’re the self sacrifice in Christ

In Socialism, your Pontius Pilate and the Pharisees that sacrifice the Christ


58 posted on 02/15/2014 10:16:31 AM PST by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: tophat9000

Let put it even simpler

In Christianity, you’re the self sacrifice in Christ

In Socialism, your Pontius Pilate and the Pharisees that sacrifice the Christ


59 posted on 02/15/2014 10:16:59 AM PST by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: thecodont

That doesn’t answer the question of what would have happened if he had chosen not to sacrifice himself. Under socialism people have a choice to sacrifice themselves to the state or die. It was the same for Jesus. Or am I wrong?


60 posted on 02/15/2014 10:26:37 AM PST by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin..)
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