However; the tactic illustrated below can delay the inevitable end of faith in TCOJCOLDS:
Right; restornu??
Posted on 02/24/2014 7:28:13 PM PST by restornu
The church of jesus christ of latter day saints is here to stay
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The founder of the religion Joey Smith died in 1844 and the ownership changed hands..and took the group out of town..
The main reason for the group an everlasting forever practice became less than everlasting and was tossed out in 1890..
There is no temple built in Independence MO and unlikely to ever be one..
The current true believing prophet of the Mormons, Warren Jeffs is in prison for adhering to everything Joseph Smith taught him..
The leader of an off shoot group in SLC with a watered down version of the religion is a malfeasant charged with criminal financial fraud..and he also could wind up in prison..
The religion was lost for 1800 years and unlike Christianity didn’t “stay” here on Earth continually for the last 2,000 years...
If the Mormon religion can be so easy lost or dropped or stolen or damaged or misplaced or misfiled or hacked or deleted for 1800 years, so easily, it could happen again..
This religion doesn’t have a good record of staying anywhere...
This religion has a bad record and is not reliable to be trusted to “stay”
Does that sound like a religion that’s here to stay ???
No it sounds like someone needs to come and restore it to its former “glory”..
I’m sure the much aligned and persecuted martyr Warren Jeffs will get right onto that when the Gentiles let him out of prison..
So THAT’s why so FEW Mormons are headed to the Celestial Level
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“To live in the highest part of the celestial kingdom is called exaltation* or eternal life. To be able to live in this part of the celestial kingdom, people must have been married in the temple and must have kept the sacred promises they made in the temple. They will receive everything our father in heaven has and will become like him. THEY WILL EVEN BE ABLE TO HAVE SPIRIT CHILDREN AND MAKE NEW WORLDS FOR THEM TO LIVE ON, and do all the things our Father in Heaven has done. People who are not married in the temple may live in other parts of the celestial kingdom, but they will not be exalted.”
(Official Mormon literature) Gospel Fundamentals Chapter 36: Eternal Life)
“I’m not sure we teach that” Gordon Hinckley, Mormon president and prophet
Huh who wants to be exalted and go where ya cant have a cuppa TEA when ya want one ???
The church has no debt,
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How the Mormons do it...
Aug 4, 1877 - Brigham Young obtains cancellation of his debts in Ogden, Utah, dating back to 1849.
July 20 1893 - The First Presidency and Apostles discuss “the propriety of calling on 100 men to loan to the church 1000 each or more to relieve the church of its weighty obligations. The discussion of the subject was chiefly against the plan lest it should precipitate a panic by drawing at this time such an amount from the banks. It was thought better for the banks to carry us quietly along till some relief should come in from some other direction.” Apostle Francis M. Lyman writes: “My name was down for 1000 and it transpires that I have already years ago loaned the church 1000 at 8% per annum. It is the amount I put into the Deseret Investment Co. The question was postponed for one week. The pressure upon the church is very great just now. The Lord will have to come to our rescue or we will be compelled into Bankruptcy.”
Nah, I don't believe you bishop.../s
The march continues
Why haven't YOU looked at all of those 'official' MORMON links that PD so carefully compiled?
Or, perhaps you have, and now have an appetite for the Meat OF Mormonism.
Good luck on your search; for it seems that information is a bit rationed...
Official sites are sites supported by LDS officials unless said official sites are considered unofficial by said officials.At that point such sites are unofficial unless officially referenced for official purposes by officials who can do so officially.This should not be misconstrued as an indication that official sites can be unofficially recognized as official nor should it be implied that unofficial sites cannot contain official information, but are not officially allowed to be offical despite their official contents due the their unofficialness.Official sites will be official and recognized as official by officials of the LDS unless there is an official reason to mark them as unofficial either temporally or permanently, which would make the official content officially unofficial.This is also not to imply that recognized sites, often used on FR by haters and bigots cannot contain official information, it just means that content, despite its official status, is no longer official and should be consider unofficial despite the same information being official on an official site elsewhere.Even then the officialness my be amended due to the use of the unofficial information which may determine the officialness of anything be it official or unofficial depending on how and where it is used officially or unofficially.
However; the tactic illustrated below can delay the inevitable end of faith in TCOJCOLDS:
Right; restornu??
If all those things you like to hear and believe were true which they are NOT the fruits of this great Kingdom that has manifest over the 184 years would have been so different.
Matter of fact if what you believe were true it would only be a footnote in history today...
But is not true what many like you believe, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is here to stay and will be way into thousand years of peace, until the work is done and the earth manifest into the Celestial Kingdom.
This Church holds the keys and authority from the Lord Jesus Christ, The Church has no debt, and is well Organized and managed, because it follow corrects principles as taught by the Lord Jesus Christ and the New Covenant of the Lord Jesus Christ are being practiced according to His Will. This Church is a Testament to Lord Jesus Christ.
There are many fine Religious Institutions upon earth today but none were given this calling.
This is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and Jesus Christ is a Head of His Church , The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, stands as a testament to The Lord Jesus Christ, and President Monson is the Lord’s prophet on earth today.
I say this in the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
How do members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints feel about calling the members of its various spin-off sects Latter-Day Saints, Christians, or Mormons? Or about those sects calling themselves Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? (There was an earlier campaign by LDS to have journalism style books use the word “Mormon” to refer only to LDS, and not RLDS, FLDS, or other LDS sects).
For a man who bragged about holding things together, Joseph Smith, Jr. doesn’t appear go have done a good job of it during his lifetime. Wycam Clark’s “Pure Church of Christ” spun off in 1831. This trend continued. There were six LDS sects spawned in the 1830s, eight in the 1840s, two in the 1850s, and seven in the 1860s.
Do those responsible for the “Mormons are Christians” campaign consider these denominations to be Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? Surely many of these denominations are much closer to mainstream LDS than LDS is to Christianity. Many stick to Smith’s teachings and old temple endowment ceremonies.
Short Creek Community
Latter Day Church of Christ
Apostolic United Brethren
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness [sic] of Times
Church of the Lamb of God
Church of the New Covenant in Christ
Confederate Nations of Israel
Righteous Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
School of the Prophets
Centennial Park
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Kingdom of God
True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
The Church of the Firstborn and the General Assembly of HeavenBlackmore/Bountiful Community
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ
Order of Enoch
Aaronic Order
Zion’s Order, Inc.
Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints
Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)
Community of Christ
Church of Jesus Christ (Toneyite)
Independent RLDS / Restoration Branches
Church of Jesus Christ Restored 1830
Church of Christ (Lion of God Ministry/Clarkite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Zion’s Branch)
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Fettingite) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ at Halley’s Bluff (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Restored) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ “With the Elijah Message” (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Hancock) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Burtite) (Hendrickite)
Church of Israel (Hendrickite)
Church of Christ with the Elijah Message (The Assured Way of the Lord) (Hendrickite)
The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
True Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Restored Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
Holy Church of Jesus Christ (Strangite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Drewite) (Strangite)
True Church of Jesus Christ Restored (Strangite)
Pentecostal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Whitmerite)
Or these defunct sects:
Pure Church of Christ (Clarkite)
Independent Church (Hotonite)
Church of Christ (Boothite)
Church of Christ (Parrishite)
Alston Church
Church of Christ (Chubbyite)
Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lamb’s Wife
Church of Christ (Pageite)
True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (this one was particularly curious - started by William Law, editor of The Nauvoo Expositor, just one of many sects started in opposition to plural marriage)
The Church of Zion (Godbeite)
United Order Family of Christ
Church of the Potter Christ
Church of the Firstborn (Morrisite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gibsonite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Most High
Church of the Christian Brotherhood
Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion (Rigdonite) Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Primative Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Christ (Aaron Smith)
Church of the Messiah (Adamsite)
Church of Christ (Wrightite)
Church of Christ (Whitmerite)
Church of Christ (Brewsterite)
The Bride, the Lamb’s Wife
Congregation of Jehovah’s Presbytery of Zion
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gladdenite)
Independent Latter Day Saints of Nigeria
Independent Latter Day Saints of Ghana
Apostolic Divine Church of Ghana
Are members of those LDS groups “Mormons”? “Latter Day Saints?” “Christians?”
Do the folks in Salt Lake City have a problem with any of those groups, who believe in the restoration of the original church by Joseph Smith, calling themselves Mormons or Saints?
Most of these divisions in the Latter-Day Saint movement occurred over the issue of polygamy or succession of the Prophet. Sects broke off when Joseph Smith was still alive, and when Brigham Young was named prophet, because they didn’t believe in the practice of plural marriage – either publicly, or in some cases when it was practiced in private and denied in public.
Of course, there was the great split between Rocky Mountain Saints and Prairie Saints, when LDS members couldn’t agree on a successor prophet to Smith, Jr., and the church went to Utah, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and Pennsylvania under Brigham Young, Sidney Rigdon (senior member of the First Presidency), James Strang, Lyman Wight, Alpheus Cutler, William Smith, David Whitmer (a BOM witness), or Joseph Smith III (son of Joseph Smith, Jr.). Almost all of these individuals still has multiple sects in existence that date to an 1844 decision about who should be the next President/Prophet of the church.
The Prairie Saints split into sects over the issue of whether Smith practiced polygamy. Rocky Mountain Saints had many, many spinoff sects after the 1890 Manifesto – groups that still practice plural marriage.
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Thanks to ScoutMaster for all the hard work here!
“I’m not sure we teach that” Gordon Hinckley, Mormon president and prophet who is now DEAD!!!
The bothersome reply
"I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it. I haven't heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don't know. I don't know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it, but I don't know a lot about it, and I don't think others know a lot about it."
The reporter wrote, "On whether his church still holds that God the Father was once a man, he sounded uncertain." That's an unfortunate conclusion. Of course I wasn't at the interview and neither were you but I'll bet the reporter mistook careful thoughtfulness for uncertainty. This doctrine is indeed deep territory and not something that is taught outside the LDS Church.
An earlier and similar interview
The San Francisco Chronicle, published an interview with President Hinckley in April of 1997. The reporter asked, "There are some significant differences in your beliefs. For instance, don't Mormon's believe that God was once a man?" President Hinckley responded, "I wouldn't say that. There is a little couplet coined, 'As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.'"
He then said, "Now that's more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don't know very much about." The reporter pounced on this. "So you're saying that the church is still struggling to understand this? " President Hinckley responded, "Well, as God is, man may become. We believe in eternal progression. Very strongly."
President Hinckley's response
President Hinckley said in October 1997 General Conference: "I personally have been much quoted, and in a few instances misquoted and misunderstood. I think that's to be expected. None of you need worry because you read something that was incompletely reported. You need not worry that I do not understand some matters of doctrine.
"I think I understand them thoroughly, and it is unfortunate that the reporting may not make this clear. I hope you will never look to the public press as the authority on the doctrines of the Church." And there lies the whole point of my post today. Some members did indeed become a little concerned by the exchanges they read in the press reports of those interviews.
Does the Church still teach this?
I know this is old news but it still bothers some people when they discover the anti-Mormon attacks floating around on the Internet. President Hinckley was right. We really don't know much about how our Heavenly Father became a God. The idea that he passed through a mortal probationary state like you and me is certainly not documented in any scripture of which I know.
However, it is still taught. In the Gospel Principles manual in the chapter on exaltation we read, "Joseph Smith taught: "It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)."
Summary and conclusion
I don't know why this should bother anyone. The doctrine is true. Joseph Smith knew a whole lot more about this than I do. President Hinckley also knew a whole lot more about this doctrine than he was willing to share with reporters who did not have the background to understand it. It must have been difficult for President Hinckley to hold back and not teach it in those interviews.
It didn't bother me when I read the interviews back in 1997 and it doesn't bother me today. However, I know it does bother some people. We each have trials of our faith. I have never depended on an intellectual understanding of the gospel in order to accept it and live it. There are some things that just can't be fully comprehended without the temple, prayer and faith.
There are some things that just can't be fully comprehended without the temple, prayer and faith.
In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.
1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.
I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.
Ezra Taft Benson
(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University) http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng
bttt
Where oh where has restornu gone?
Oh where oh where can she be??
Dear Ask Tommy,
The prophet said that if the congress of the United States did not obey him they would be destroyed. Now the courts in England are attacked you as our current prophet.
Did Joseph ever say anything about the Parliament in England?
I have dear neighbors who are distraught with grief over the persecution that has come upon you because you are our LDS prophet. So distraught that I have not seen or heard from them for several days.
Should I knock on their door to check on them, or call? I think an enquiring text would be too cold, but if you say that I should, I will text, rather than send an EMail as I do not have the Internet.
I am also keeping some funeral errr soothing mashed potatoes warm to take next door if you have a revelation that I should indeed visit them. My neighbors as worthy Mormons could also benefit from a dish of green Jello that I keep ready for faith promoting occasions but this would not be one would it?
Oh whatever shall we do, dear prophet? If we were to lose you we would for the first time be non-prophet and that could be bad for business errr while England has a financial fraud here in the United States we would have a financial void. Oh dear.
Oh I am quite beside myself.
I remain,
Undone in Utah
Dear UU,
I have had a revelation from the morm on gods that your neighbors are in need of a visit from you.
This is what the Mormon gods want you to do: Put your shoes and a warm coat on. Take your Jello from the fridge, and go to your front door, open it and pass through to the other side, arriving at the outside of your house. Turn towards your neighbors house and advance at a moderate pace to their front door, and ring the door bell or knock on the door if there is no bell. If the neighbors open the door, tell them I as your prophet send them greetings and some nice delicious Jello.
As I am in need of some Jello and sympathy also please send some to the office of the president of the LDS when you send your tithes this week.
At this time it would please the Mormon gods and they will bless you and give you an extra special patriarchal blessings when you send an extra offering of $1,000 to help pay for my trip to England err to meet my needs errr no not mine errr the needs of the hungry and the needy.
Ask Tommy
That's how it starts...
If you have cable TV, there won’t be much on to watch.
If there isn’t much on to watch, you will answer your door whenever someone rings.
If you open your door, you will see mormons.
If you talk to mormons, they will trick you into “praying about whether something is true”.
If you rely on your feelings, you may become a mormon.
If you become a mormon, you will have to wear magic underwear!
If you wear magic underwear, people will immediately label you as a cultist.
DON’T be a cultist!
Get DirectTV.
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