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Morality Pledge Violates Pope's Own Morals: Regina Brett
Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | 5/17/14 | Regina Brett

Posted on 05/18/2014 10:16:42 AM PDT by marshmallow

Would Pope Francis sign the new Catholic teacher contract?

That's the question posed on billboards across Cincinnati by The Greater Cincinnati Voice of the Faithful.

People across Cleveland should be asking the same question: Would Pope Francis sign the new Catholic teacher contract?

Bishop Richard Lennon and the Diocese of Cleveland want teachers at Catholic elementary schools to sign a morality clause that bans "public support of positions contrary to Roman Catholic teaching including, but not limited to, publicly supporting abortions, euthanasia, assisted suicide, embryonic stem cell research, in vitro fertilization, artificial insemination, surrogate parenthood, direct sterilization or so-called homosexual or same-sex marriage or unions."

It also bans teachers from sex outside of marriage, same-sex sexual activity, living together outside of marriage, drug use and watching porn, according to The Plain Dealer's Patrick O'Donnell, who also noted that area Catholic high schools are not affected by the new contract.

Just when the new pope made the church more welcoming, the church found another way to turn more Catholics away.

My church needs a heart transplant. I thought it got one with the new pope. Now I'm not so sure.

(Excerpt) Read more at cleveland.com ...


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1 posted on 05/18/2014 10:16:42 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Just when the new pope made the church more welcoming, the church found another way to turn more Catholics away.

The Church is not a social club. People who don't believe in Church doctrine don't belong in the Church.

2 posted on 05/18/2014 10:26:20 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: marshmallow

“who am i to judge” - the gift that keeps on giving.


3 posted on 05/18/2014 10:54:31 AM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: marshmallow
Would Pope Francis sign the new Catholic teacher contract?

Why not write him a letter and ask? Maybe he'll give you a phone call.

4 posted on 05/18/2014 10:57:11 AM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: jtal
But you needn't continue to multiply the misinterpretations of this phrase.

Do you remember the context of this "who am I to judge" quote? Pope Francis had been was asked about a particular priest, Msgr. Ricca, and about a “gay lobby” of people who work in the Vatican. Pope Francis made this distinction:

" When I meet a gay person, I have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn’t be marginalized. The tendency is not the problem … they’re our brothers."

If they have a "tendency" to same-sex attraction, they are like everybody else who has a "tendency" to be tempted to particular sins. The important thing is that they “accept the Lord”, and “have goodwill”-- that their conduct is guided by their will to live a good Christian life which for a priest involves continency and chastity. In that case, says the Pope, I can’t point a finger at them and say this repentant person must be rejected.

That phrase “Who am I to judge?”, is being hijacked by the ignorant and the malicious alike. Jesus said much the same thing when He protected the women taken in adultery from being stoned to death (John 8:1-11). He said, “Neither will I condemn thee. Go now, and sin no more.”

5 posted on 05/18/2014 11:27:21 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The bent reed I will not break, and the smouldering wick I will not quench.")
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Hi Mrs. Don-O,

I know very well the context of the statement. Regrettably the MSM and the enemies of the church latch onto any opening they can find to advance their agenda. The Holy Father needs to be aware of this and choose his words judiciously.

In every case I have seen like the one in this article, the “who am i to judge” quote is used to justify heterodox behavior. Whether or not that was the Holy Father’s intention, that is how it is being perceived and used.

And their has been no strong correction to this interpretation from the Holy Father. Fair or not “silence implies consent” is applicable here.


6 posted on 05/18/2014 11:40:49 AM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: marshmallow

Many, many people manage to check the boxes of that entire list and not even be Catholic. Too bad for the writer to be so upset at the ultimate meaning of the religion she thinks she professes. The church doesn’t give you “rights”: the church leads you to grace.


7 posted on 05/18/2014 11:47:26 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: jtal
But it seems to me that we have to take sides. We have a choice either to constantly reiterate the corrupt interpretation ("Gay, hey, that's OK") or to point out the all-important distinction between tendency (temptation or appetite) and conduct (chaste or unchaste.)

I think snarking "Who am I to judge?" omits an owed accuracy, and sides with the Enemy.

8 posted on 05/18/2014 11:49:28 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be" said the Cat,"or you wouldn't have come here.")
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To: marshmallow
How can a church based on the Gospel of love force a mother to choose between supporting her son or keeping her job? Is she supposed to pretend publicly that she opposes his very identity as a gay man?

The Diocese of Cleveland doesn't say that. It says:

"...publicly supporting...so-called homosexual or same-sex marriage or unions."

There's a big difference.

9 posted on 05/18/2014 11:50:45 AM PDT by onedoug (God derived the function we discovered as mathematics)
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To: marshmallow

Matthew 5:33”Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.’ 34”But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING.…36And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

Does signing this morality contract equate up to a vow/oath?


10 posted on 05/18/2014 12:07:29 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: jtal

The fact that those who struggle with a sinful behavior are not to be judged doesn’t mean we judge the behavior.

The author does her fair share of judging herself... She might want to put the stones down.


11 posted on 05/18/2014 12:36:59 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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Why not write him a letter and ask? Maybe he'll give you a phone call.

Bu dum ching!

12 posted on 05/18/2014 1:19:40 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Hillary may have brain damage, but what difference does it make?)
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To: marshmallow

The Church (the only one that doesn’t need an adjective) doesn’t drive people away...people drive themselves away.


13 posted on 05/18/2014 1:25:11 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: rwilson99
The fact that those who struggle with a sinful behavior are not to be judged doesn’t mean we judge the behavior.
The author does her fair share of judging herself... She might want to put the stones down.

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Exactly: we hate the sin; love the sinner.

14 posted on 05/18/2014 1:26:40 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Mrs. Don-o
that their conduct is guided by their will to live a good Christian life

And for the 1 out of 10,000 homosexuals who meet this stipulation I say "Right on, Francis".

15 posted on 05/18/2014 1:33:33 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: onedoug
Is she supposed to pretend publicly that she opposes his very identity as a gay man?

Of course she should "oppose his very identity as a gay man" and not only in a pretend manner regardless of what the contract stipulates. Just as we oppose individuals acting out other criminal persuasions such as child molesting, serial murder and the rest.

16 posted on 05/18/2014 1:39:27 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
[Jesus] said, “Neither will I condemn thee. Go now, and sin no more.”

Why does Francis have such great difficulty clearly articulating the "sin no more" part?

17 posted on 05/18/2014 1:42:51 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Albion Wilde

“The church doesn’t give you “rights”: the church leads you to grace.”

Thanks. That was a most wise comment.


18 posted on 05/18/2014 2:59:10 PM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: steve86
"And for the 1 out of 10,000 homosexuals who meet this stipulation I say "Right on, Francis".

How can you say this, as if you knew? It is something you could not possibly know. How broadly we fling our confident blind judgments!

What if I were to say, "And for the 1 out of 10,000 FReepers who meet this stipulation I say "Right on, Francis"?

19 posted on 05/18/2014 3:30:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be" said the Cat,"or you wouldn't have come here.")
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"And for the 1 out of 10,000 homosexuals who meet this stipulation I say "Right on, Francis".

How can you say this, as if you knew? It is something you could not possibly know. How broadly we fling our confident blind judgments!

What if I were to say, "And for the 1 out of 10,000 FReepers who meet this stipulation I say "Right on, Francis"?

20 posted on 05/18/2014 3:30:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be" said the Cat,"or you wouldn't have come here.")
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