Posted on 08/27/2014 3:30:10 PM PDT by NYer
Care to try to prove that, including by looking at the contributions of individual members of different churches?
“Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.” Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. “You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. “But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers."John 4:20
"And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury, and He saw also a certain poor widow putting in two mites. So He said, “Truly I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all; for all these out of their abundance have put in offerings for God,but she out of her poverty put in all the livelihood that she had.”
When I said faith I am talking about A CHURCH. Please don’t argue with me on this. It’s stupidity. The Catholic Church feeds more people, educates more people, and clothes more people than any other CHURCH on the planet. It is the largest charitable organization on the planet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QYeST_9FUg
You have nothing to back that up.
Plus, a lot of what you call “charity” in the Catholic Church really doesn’t do God’s work, but even the opposite. I know all around the U.S. that Catholic Charities gives psychological counseling. I posted on this before. They use secular counselors who are exactly the same in terms of education and licensing as counselors everywhere else. They are bound to approve of and advocate for homosexuality and condone abortion. Now, I have had a lot of interest in psychology for decades, and have studied it extensively. It is a mix of true and error - a very dangerous mix in spiritual terms. At base, it has some natural truth to it, but it embraces atheistic naturalism and rejects Christian faith. After a lot of consideration of it for years, it seems to me that it is something that the Lord might allow temporarily in someone’s life out of mercy, like He might for a time overlook all the vices we can turn to in life to get us by. For Christians, though, we are to be transformed, to allow that, which means allowing the Lord to work the world out of us and to turn us towards Him more and more. So, psychology is not the highest help we can get, and in fact if we stick to it when the Lord is calling us to replace it with faith and to be transformed through knowing Him better, then it is most dangerous to us. And the Lord will use crises to get us to turn to Him (as the entire Bible shows us), but psychology in such cases will steer us away from God’s will and plan for us. And at bottom, it is built on secular humanism, the idea that we’re not sinners, just have victims with problems. Yet the Catholic Church doesn’t use crises and life struggles to bring people to God’s Word, but to psychology. And Catholic Charities finances it.
AMEN and many of these folks are poor.
But God also heals through those in the medical profession, including counseling.
Good news here!
...I have never agreed with these temples of wealth...”
Untold riches, etc. The catholic churches in the Northeast were built on the blood sweat and tears of the blue collar immigrants.
Myth - temples of wealth.
Christians were illiterate. Revelations 21 caused the people to understand how to build.Heaven has great high walls (again Revelations 21) and they did their best to make this happen.
The human mind works by association. Lofty architecture = heaven for the illiterate folds.
folds - sorry! folks
AMEN!!
Well put and true.
Catholic Charities is SO well thought of and trusted that the U.S. government sends its foreign aid to those more unreachable place THOUGHT Catholic Charities.
Here come the Catholic bashers!!
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And then there are the “could have beens”. This church could have been beautiful: http://www.straymond.us/html/photos_1.html It’s an attractive, pleasant space, but... it just isn’t what it could have been.
Two others things, too. What you are saying, then, is that if Catholic Church aid workers help ebola victims, that “counts.” but when Christians work with a group like Samaritans’ Purse to help them, that doesn’t. Well, to the Lord it does, and if how you are looking at things doesn’t agree with how He does, so that you simply negate the Christian work of some so you can compare work done by churches in order to put yours first, then it sounds like something is wrong with that.
And second, what I’ve been starting to see is how closely Catholicism is tied to racial segregation in the U.S. Case in point is St. Louis - highly Catholic and highly segregated. The Northeast - highly Catholic and most segregated schools. Detroit, Chicago, L.A., well-known for their segregation, but it’s not just there. Baton Rouge - white citizens trying to form a separate city to escape black people. Buffalo, NY, where I come from. 77% Catholic. The city is about 45%-45% white and black but very segregated and Cont’d
And what about the KKK that burned down Catholic Churches?
Get real.
most suburbs are well over 90% white. Black unemployment is sky high in recent decades. Most whites there want Washington to help black people (and them too), but don’t want any sacrifice themselves. They would never say anything openly racist in a public forum where they’re identified, but coded language (like “city folk,” “safe neighborhood” and “good schools”) make them oppose anything that might start to put an end to the ghetto there. And in semi-privacy (a group of only whites) I’ve heard plenty of racism. I’m also 44 and never personally knew anyone black or Hispanic until I was 30 when in the city I had a black neighbor, and many suburban whites likely never do. And I don’t have more time tonight, but I could say much more on this. There is some connection.
The Son of Man had nowhere to lay His head.
Funny how I see so much criticism for non-Catholic mega churches and ones like the Crystal Cathedral, and yet when it's a Catholic church, well, they're just wonderful in spite of the massive amounts of money spent on them.
Jesus condemned the Pharisees for making a show of their acts of charity. He taught us that the right hand should not let the left hand know what it is doing.
All this bragging on what the church is doing, has gotten its reward in this world from the attention it has gotten.
There's none left in heaven for those who flaunt their good works for attention.
Your description of the situation in Buffalo is spot on.
I too, grew up there and still have lots of connections with family and friends.
The corruption in WNY politics is legendary and most of the politicians who are most notorious for it were faithfully practicing Catholics.
Jimmy Griffin comes immediately to mind.
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