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Thoughts On The Judgment Of God
Reformed for His Glory ^ | March 2, 2011 | Fernando

Posted on 10/04/2014 2:42:21 AM PDT by HarleyD

A large part of Christianity does not understand the holiness of God and because they fail to understand His majesty, they have a very difficult time with God's judgment against sinners. What aggravates the problem even more is when people only talk about the love of God as if His wrath is outdated and wrong. I present that we will never truly understand nor appreciate just how much God does indeed love His people unless we understand how "HOLY, HOLY, HOLY" HE is which includes vindicating His name in pouring out His judgment on sinners. The beautiful thing about the Gospel is this: "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him"(Heb 9:27–28). How's that for love and grace!

The cross is not only a demonstration of God's love but also His judgment in wrath. God has not ceased to be holy because of the cross, no, rather the cross is also a demonstration of His holiness. I have no favorite verse but if I did 2 Corinthians 5:21 might be close to being it: "For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."

The modern understanding of Calvary seems to be that it was simply a sentimental gesture of God. But without understanding God's judgment in wrath, the cross is meaningless. Were there sentiments involved at the cross? Of course. I don't think the Father was a Stoic without any type of emotion. However, we must not confuse our emotions with God's. We tend to be controlled by ours where God is not controlled by anything. He is perfectly and completely in control of all things. At Calvary God was both pouring out His wrath on Christ and at the same time, in love, He was saving His people. There is not one iota of wrath left for God's children. It was fully expended on Christ. We are no longer under the curse but rather blessed, "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree'— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith"(Ga 3:13–14).

As I have been reading through Ezekiel what has caught my attention is that thus far every chapter (I could be mistaken) and I'm up to 22, has mentioned God's judgment on nations. Take this pronouncement [sic] on the Ammonites for example: "And I will pour out my indignation upon you; I will blow upon you with the fire of my wrath, and I will deliver you into the hands of brutish men, skillful to destroy. You shall be fuel for the fire. Your blood shall be in the midst of the land. You shall be no more remembered, for I the LORD have spoken”(Eze 21:31–32). What is it that the author of Hebrews said- "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God"(Heb 10:31).

The judgment of God is still on the heads of the Christ rejecters. The New Testament verifies this in John 3:36- "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him." This is why when we proclaim the Gospel we must never avoid mentioning God's wrath. It is a present reality for the unrepentant.

Finally [sic], in order to have salvation you must have condemnation but to preach condemnation without the offer of salvation is just cruel. This is why we love Christ because He alone is our salvation and there is no escaping God's judgment apart from Him. He not only freed us from the curse of the law but He freed us from our bondage to sin. Soli Deo Gloria!


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: holiness; judgment
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To: ravenwolf

Those with full faith in Jesus alone won’t be here.


41 posted on 10/04/2014 6:02:31 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: cloudmountain

They emanate from the Vatican.
Vatican Hill has always been there. It just happened to be where St. Peter was killed—CRUCIFIED upside down, his choice.

Any questions?


Well, since you ask.

Does the Bible say that the gospel will come out of Rome or Jerusalem?

Zechariah 14:8 declares, “in that day living waters will go forth from Jerusalem.

John 7
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.


42 posted on 10/04/2014 6:57:56 PM PDT by ravenwolf (nd)
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To: cloudmountain
I sure as heck won't mock, pity or excoriate the Protestants. I ESPECIALLY won't JUDGE them. That is our good Lord's purview. Jesus loves us no matter what we do. That is HIS blessing to us. All we have to do is say: YES, LORD.

How magnanimous of you after that lovely tirade.

43 posted on 10/04/2014 7:15:22 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: Prospero

The only response I’ve ever been able to muster is “Thank You,”


Right, what else is there to say, but being human we will usually try to fit every thing into our way of thinking and explain it.

As for what you described, I am not even going to try.


44 posted on 10/04/2014 7:23:59 PM PDT by ravenwolf (nd)
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To: CynicalBear

Those with full faith in Jesus alone won’t be here.


That is what I believe but I am also kind of like the publican.

Luke 18
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.


45 posted on 10/04/2014 7:35:06 PM PDT by ravenwolf (nd)
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To: Kandy Atz
Lol. As if you have NEVER, EVER read a "tirade" on this site.

Besides, NO ONE forced you to read my humble words. So why did you? Lol.

GET A LIFE.

46 posted on 10/04/2014 7:49:58 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: GreensKeeperWillie
Sola Fidei and Sola Scriptura are not to be mocked?

You certainly have the right to mock ANYthing you wish. No one will stop you. This is the FR.
Besides, why would I care?

MOCK AWAY.

47 posted on 10/04/2014 7:53:13 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: ravenwolf
...I still think stupid fits real good.

You have a point. :O)

48 posted on 10/05/2014 3:14:08 AM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: cloudmountain; Gamecock
The Romans didn't believe all that much in what St. Paul was saying about Jesus because Paul hadn't known Jesus as an Apostle, so he sent for Peter. THAT did the job.

So, let's see...

The Romans didn't believe Paul who was a very well educated and respected Roman citizen. So Paul sent for Peter who was under-educated (by Roman's standard), a unknown Jew, and a fisherman. This "did the job".

Well, at least that's tradition. And they say Protestants like to interpret things.

49 posted on 10/05/2014 3:24:26 AM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: HarleyD
Well they sure do. Otherwise there wouldn't be 30,000 different Protestant denominations. Sorry Harley, that number is only a Catholic version. The Protestants themselves say that the number is 40,000. Google it yourself; I didn't make that up.

Hey, it's "diversity." Isn't that the buzzword these days?

50 posted on 10/05/2014 5:41:25 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
This is really a "ho-hum" argument that is often brought up by our Catholic friends. Are you going to tell me that the Eastern Orthodox is a Protestant denomination? Are they Roman Catholic? Are they a Catholic denomination? And there are far more of these Catholic "denominations". It is a slippery slope.

But I took your advice and Googled "how many protestant denominations?". If you were to do so you will find a number of articles that pop up on the first page that refutes the claim of so many Protestants denominations. There were so many but this is one from "Just for Catholics".

I won't post the link. You can google it for yourself.
51 posted on 10/05/2014 10:57:28 AM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: HarleyD

Thanks for your response.


52 posted on 10/05/2014 2:00:17 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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