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Justice Alito on [Muslim] Prisoner Beard Debate: Couldn’t Comb Remove ‘a Tiny Revolver?’
CNSNews ^ | October 8, 2014 | Penny Starr

Posted on 10/09/2014 8:42:33 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

(CNSNews.com) – The atmosphere in the land’s highest court on Tuesday took on a lighter note during oral arguments over a prisoner’s petition to justices over his right to grow a half-inch beard in observance of his Muslim faith.

An attorney arguing on behalf of the Arkansas maximum security prison where Gregory Holt, or Abdul Maalik Muhammad, is serving a life sentence for slitting his girlfriend’s throat, said beards are forbidden for security reasons.

At issue for the court is whether that rule violates the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act passed by Congress and signed into law in 2000.

“Well, as far as searching a beard is concerned, why can’t the prison just give the inmate a comb – you could develop whatever kind of comb you want – and say ‘Comb your beard,’ and if there’s a SIM card in there or a revolver or anything else you think can be hidden in a half-inch beard – a tiny revolver – it’ll fall out,” Justice Samuel Alito said.

“You know, I suppose that’s a possible alternative,” responded David Curran, deputy attorney general for the city of Little Rock, Ark. “I think the concern there is there’s no perfect way of searching and … and there’s a lot of area there and you’re going to have to monitor to make sure they get all the spots, but….”

“Do you really think that would be difficult, to say ‘Here’s a comb, comb your beard?” Alito said.

Justice Stephen Breyer asked if in any of the 42 U.S. prisons that allow beards there have been any reports of contraband being found in facial hair.

“I think there’s no example, not a single example in any state, that allows beard policies where somebody did hide something in his beard,” Breyer said.

“I think that’s mostly right, your honor,” Curran said.

According to an analysis by the John Marshall Law School, Holt sued in federal court, arguing that the Arkansas prison rule violated the statute protecting inmates’ religious liberty.

Holt based his request on a federal case in California, Mayweathers v. Terhune, which held that California officials had to allow Muslim prisoners to grow half-inch beards.

Holt said his request was a “compromise” between the full beard required by his religion and the one-quarter-inch beard allowed in the Arkansas jail for prisoners for medical reasons.

After lower courts dismissed Holt’s claim, he petitioned the Supreme Court, which granted an injunction allowing Holt to keep his half-inch beard pending the court’s final decision.

A wide range of groups and individuals filed amicus briefs in support of Holt, including the Alliance Defending Freedom, former correctional officers and wardens, Islamic Law Scholars, Prison Fellowship Ministries, World Vision, the National Association of Evangelicals, the Christian Legal Society and the National Jewish Commission on Law and Public Affairs.

A decision in the case is expected before June.


TOPICS: Islam; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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The atmosphere in the land’s highest court on Tuesday took on a lighter note during oral arguments over a prisoner’s petition to justices over his right to grow a half-inch beard in observance of his Muslim faith....“Well, as far as searching a beard is concerned, why can’t the prison just give the inmate a comb – you could develop whatever kind of comb you want – and say ‘Comb your beard,’ and if there’s a SIM card in there or a revolver or anything else you think can be hidden in a half-inch beard – a tiny revolver – it’ll fall out....Do you really think that would be difficult, to say ‘Here’s a comb, comb your beard?” [Justice Samuel Alito] said.
1 posted on 10/09/2014 8:42:33 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

A beard hides the contours of the face. Shaving the beard, then, alters the appearance.

So why wouldn’t a high security facility support altering their prisoners’ appearances...

A real mystery.


2 posted on 10/09/2014 8:44:47 AM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: Alex Murphy

The New York Yankees can ban facial hair but our maximum security prisons can’t.


3 posted on 10/09/2014 8:45:29 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Alex Murphy; Lurking Libertarian; Perdogg; JDW11235; Clairity; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; ...

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

4 posted on 10/09/2014 8:46:29 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Alex Murphy

No it’s not difficult for Alito to say it. Maybe he should spend a day with Muslims who slit a throat and handing then combs while they fake using it or try to slit his throat with it.


5 posted on 10/09/2014 8:46:46 AM PDT by Williams
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To: Alex Murphy
“Well, as far as searching a beard is concerned, why can’t the prison just give the inmate a comb – you could develop whatever kind of comb you want – and say ‘Comb your beard,’ and if there’s a SIM card in there or a revolver or anything else you think can be hidden in a half-inch beard – a tiny revolver – it’ll fall out,” Justice Samuel Alito said.

What about her rights?


6 posted on 10/09/2014 9:07:36 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (There's no there there.)
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To: Alex Murphy; Joe Brower

Charlie Crist has a beard ... oh, wait ...


7 posted on 10/09/2014 9:17:39 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Kerry, as Obama's plenipotentiary, is a paradox - the physical presence of a geopolitical absence")
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To: COUNTrecount

barf, puke, pass the eye bleach. Please don’t post pics like that.


8 posted on 10/09/2014 9:20:42 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: MortMan

prison isn’t supposed to cater to the demands of inmates.


9 posted on 10/09/2014 9:23:13 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

To be fair, they aren’t supposed to wantonly crush those demands that do not cross security/safety lines, either.

But the disguising of an inmate - allowing them to alter their appearance - is most assuredly a security issue.


10 posted on 10/09/2014 9:25:16 AM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Ridiculous. We have idiots in the Supreme court.


11 posted on 10/09/2014 9:29:43 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: MortMan

this is islam pushing limits. it’s not just one demand either. they win this they’ll be others. prison’s where you don’t get to live a normal life. and the last place we ought to capitulate to jihadi joe’s demands to live like an pious islamist.

and i say this in the context that these people want to destroy our country by using our system to promote theirs whilemdestroying the system that allows them to promote theirs. christians as a reference do not do this, and in fact are under attack on many fronts by our own governments.


12 posted on 10/09/2014 9:39:52 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: MortMan

further there’s no islamic command that the beard must be 1/2 inch. that’s pulled out of ass. the jihadi joes in jawa country wear them a lot ‘longer.


13 posted on 10/09/2014 9:42:15 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I am actually arguing that the beard should be outright denied based on security grounds.

The “religious” basis for the suit notwithstanding, there is a reasonable justification for the rule against beards. To me, that should end the lawsuit right there.


14 posted on 10/09/2014 9:46:24 AM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: Alex Murphy

American Citizen!!!! Achtung! You have “no standing concerning whether or not your President is constitutionally conforming!!!

Congress! Neither do you!

Jihadi! Yes sir! We will accept your important constitutional question!


15 posted on 10/09/2014 9:54:57 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: MortMan

you have a good point.

they might try to argue that other inmates are allowed stencil-type facial hair, ie really short, trimmed beards, mustaches, and the like.

of course they aren’t the same as a longer beard in terms of significantly altering appearance to where you may not knowmhocthey are right away.


16 posted on 10/09/2014 10:07:33 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
knowmhocthey

Cool word. What does it mean?

FMCDH(BITS)

17 posted on 10/09/2014 10:23:32 AM PDT by nothingnew (Hemmer and MacCullum are the worst on FNC)
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To: nothingnew

i love tablets. /s

know how they


18 posted on 10/09/2014 10:56:22 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I was think “know whom they”, but I probably misused “whom”. ;-P


19 posted on 10/09/2014 10:57:47 AM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: Secret Agent Man
prison isn’t supposed to cater to the demands of inmates.

Under federal law, prisons which accept federal funding (that would be all of them, by the way), must accommodate the religious practices of inmates, unless the prison can prove it has a strong reason not to.

20 posted on 10/10/2014 3:51:43 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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