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From Bondage to Freedom (From Rome to Christianity)
What Every Catholic Should Know ^ | Mary Allen

Posted on 11/17/2014 5:56:05 AM PST by Gamecock

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To: Petrosius

Baloney. No where in the Bible does it say that anyone has to be a catholic to be saved, PTL. It says. “for God so loved the world that he sent His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him shall have eternal life.”. Nope, no catholic listed.


81 posted on 11/17/2014 8:34:55 PM PST by MamaB
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; metmom; Alex Murphy

I’m learning a lot from these “conversion” testimonies from both ways. It seems one group is running to bondage and one group is running to Grace and Liberty in Christ. This former nun is of the latter.


82 posted on 11/17/2014 8:37:08 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Syncro; Gamecock

>>Catholicism acts like a type of purgatory-—or pre-Christian-—preparation area for eventually becoming a born again Christian as described by Jesus in the Bible.<<

Amen!

I learned all I needed to know about sin and hell and judgement in my Catholic upbringing and education. Being in an Irish Catholic family times 10 for guilt:)

So the soil of the heart was well plowed for the seed of the Gospel of Grace. Praise God!


83 posted on 11/17/2014 8:47:04 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: redleghunter

God’s mercy endures forever.


84 posted on 11/17/2014 8:48:22 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gamecock

No read it all. Captivating.


85 posted on 11/17/2014 8:50:15 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: CynicalBear; Biggirl
>>"Our good works, on our own initiative".<<

Such was condemned at the Council of Orange:

Semi-Pelagianism is a weaker form of Pelagianism (a heresy derived from Pelagius who lived in the 5th century A.D. and was a teacher in Rome). Semi-Pelagianism (advocated by Cassian at Marseilles, 5th Century) did not deny original sin and its effects upon the human soul and will; but, it taught that God and man cooperate to achieve man's salvation. This cooperation is not by human effort as in keeping the law but rather in the ability of a person to make a free will choice. The semi-Pelagian teaches that man can make the first move toward God by seeking God out of his own free will, and that man can cooperate with God's grace even to the keeping of his faith through human effort. This would mean that God responds to the initial effort of person, and that God's grace is not absolutely necessary to maintain faith.

The problem is that this is no longer grace. Grace is the completely unmerited and freely given favor of God upon the sinner; but, if man is the one who first seeks God, then God is responding to the good effort of seeking him. This would mean that God is offering a proper response to the initial effort of man. This is not grace but what is due the person who chooses to believe in God apart from God's initial effort.

Semi-Pelagianism says the sinner has the ability to initiate belief in God. Semi-Pelagianism says God's grace is a response to man's initial effort. Semi-Pelagianism denies predestination.

Semi-Pelagianism was condemned at the Council of Orange in 529.

86 posted on 11/17/2014 8:59:27 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: redleghunter
I’m learning a lot from these “conversion” testimonies from both ways. It seems one group is running to bondage and one group is running to Grace and Liberty in Christ. This former nun is of the latter.

"Having read [Francis Beckwith]'s book, I am appalled at the blatant misrepresentation of both the Reformed teaching as well the teaching of Roman Catholicism. His lack of knowledge on historical issues is forgivable, given his ignorance, but to misrepresent and caricature the Reformed faith and to misrepresent the salvation teachings of Rome is simply irresponsible and dishonest..."
-- from the internet article Why Scripture and the Facts of History Compel Me, a Former Roman Catholic, to Remain a Committed Evangelical Protestant
There are many, many "former-Protestant-turns-Catholic" conversion stories posted on FR that bear these same marks. The majority focus on converts who display a poor command of their former faith. Many of them are billed as a "former so-and-so" even if that identification occurred only in childhood! Others bear witness to converts already being swayed by "every wind of doctrine", having jumped from church to church multiple times before they converted to Catholicism. Most of these conversion stories fall into a common theme - see if you can spot it.

Take, for example, the story of James Akin. A convert in his mid-twenties, he was actually a whole lot of things before he became Catholic in his mid-twenties, but he is billed as being a "former Presbyterian".

Another favorite is the story of Rodney Beason, supposedly a former Calvinist, and solicited a second time as having "a powerful conversion story". While a first year college student, he claimed to already have "a library full of Calvin, Luther, Warfield, Hodge, Murray, Owen, Machen, etc" and to have "helped plant a local Orthodox Presbyterian Church". A little digging on Google, however, and we find that trumpeting Beason's team-switch was premature at best. In the end, Rodney Beason himself signed up to FR just to fill us in on the rest of his "powerful conversion story". Having abandoned the Catholic Church within two years of his 2002 conversion, he wishes Catholics would stop (re)publishing his story.

And then there's the tale of Rob Evans. I know what you're thinking - "who is Rob Evans?" Evans' previous claim to fame was a direct-to-VHS children's series titled The Donut Repair Club, marketed to children in Evangelical households in the early 1990s. When he wasn't entertaining children, Rob was a Presbyterian Pentecostal Baptist multiple-church-splitting spiritual wanderer, who was kicked out of at least one congregation before his conversion to Catholicism. His conversion nicely coincided with EWTN acquiring broadcasting rights to his out-of-production Donut Repair Club.

And finally, there's Fr. Erik J. Richtsteig, billed as a "former Mormon" The problem is, Fr. Richtsteig stopped being Mormon by the time he was just eight years old, meaning he had never held office, never been on a mission, never been through a Temple ceremony. His "Mormon" experience was limited to Sunday attendance (without his mother) "sporadically".

I wonder how many of these Catholic converts actually attended churches that proclaimed the whole council of God? A question I would ask is how many Catholic converts previously went to churches with strong systematic confessions of faith, like the Westminster Confession, and how often were they taught the confession, like in a Sunday School class, and how well did their minister cover all the doctrines in the confession of faith? I would expect some rather weak answers.
-- from the thread Systematic Theology and Catholic Converts

87 posted on 11/17/2014 9:01:00 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Salvation; boatbums; KC_Lion; wideawake; NKP_Vet
Will let you hang on to your southern slang then. I always thought you were an American.

Salvation: I try to make it a rule to avoid communicating with you because it does no good and only leads to frustration. But let me tell you this: that was a low blow. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.

88 posted on 11/17/2014 9:05:06 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: Zionist Conspirator

God bless you.


89 posted on 11/17/2014 9:10:40 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Petrosius
Their lack of ability to express themselves in proper theological terms should not be taken for a lack of the love of God that is in their hearts.

I am not referring to the speechless, but the typical RC apathy or antagonism (if you are a Prot.) to talk about Christ working in one's life, and conversion, what you see in the Bible, etc.

. I would suggest that you read some of the lives and writings of the saints to learn how deep the faith of Catholics can be

Which is often the other side of apathy. Cultic devotion to a church, Mary and even advocating torture of former RCs, etc.

It is a shame that there are some Protestants who, unable to dispute the truth of the Catholic faith, resort to personal attacks and belittling the commitment of their fellow Christians.

And where can you show that i was or am unable to dispute the truth of the Catholic faith? Go search. It is RCs who have resorted to personal attacks of me when the spurious nature of their polemic was exposed, by God's grace. It is a shame you must resort to this here.

90 posted on 11/17/2014 9:13:47 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Salvation
It sounds like he already has the answer to The Most Important Question Ever.

You are correct sir. I got the only question that matters in all of creation answered. Compared to that, as important as other things may be, all else pales in comparison to that one, single question. Yes, the indescribable gift.

91 posted on 11/17/2014 9:14:22 PM PST by Mark17 (Uninvited he sat down and opened up his mind, about old dogs and children, and watermelon wine)
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To: boatbums; Salvation; metmom

This is the faith Mary Allen abandoned.......

1. The Catholic Church gave us the Gregorian calendar which we all use today.
2. The Catholic Church gave us the date for Easter.
3. The Catholic Church gave us the date for Christmas which means Christ-Mass.
4. The Catholic Church gave us the Bible
The remains of all of the Apostles are in Catholic Churches, and so are all of the Gospel writers. Note! Some relics are divided between Catholic Churches.
St. Peter is in St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome.
St. Paul is in St. Paul’s Church in Rome.
St. Matthew is in the Cathedral of St. Matthew in Messina, Sicily.
St. James the Greater is in St. James Church in Compostela Spain.
St. James the Less (the Just) is in the Basilica of the Holy Apostles in Rome.
St. Bartholomew is in St. Bartholomew-in-the-island Church in Rome.
St. Andrew is in the Cathedral of Amalfi in Italy.
St. Philip is in the Church of the Dodici Apostoli in Rome, Basilica of the Holy Apostles.
St. Simon is in the Vatican, under the Altar of the Crucifixion.
St. Jude is in St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome.
St. Thomas is in the Cathedral of Saint Thomas in Mylapore, India.
St. Matthias is in St. Matthews Abbey in Trier Germany, and in St. Mary Major Basilica in Rome.
St. John is in the ruins of the Basilica of St. John in Ephesus Turkey.
“You are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets with Jesus Christ Himself as the Chief Corner Stone.”
Ephesians 2:20.
Even though he was not an Apostle, he did write the Gospel of Mark.
St. Mark is in St. Mark’s Church in Venice, Italy.
Even though he was not an Apostle, he did write the Gospel of Luke.
St. Luke is in the Basilica of Santa Giustina in Padua, Italy.
The first Christian Martyr. Acts 7:60
St. Stephen is in Rome in the Basilica of St. Lawrence Outside the Walls.
The first person to arrive at the tomb of the Risen Christ. John 20:1
St. Mary Magdalene is in the Basilica of St. Maximin in Villalata, France.
He produced the first Bible containing both the Old and New Testaments, the Latin Vulgate. St. Jerome is in St. Mary Major Basilica in Rome.
We know from the many authentic Relics that the Catholic Church has in its possession. Among them are:
1. The Relic of the True Cross on which Jesus Christ was crucified. John 19:17-18
2. The “INRI” inscription from the True Cross, called “Titulus Crucis”. John 19-19
3. The Nails which held Jesus to the cross. John 20:25
4. The Lance Point of Saint Longinus which pierced the side of Jesus. John 19:34
5. The Crown of Thorns and the individual thorns from it. John 19:2
6. The Table used at the Last Supper is in St. John Lateran Basilica in Rome. Matthew 26:20
7. The Scala Santa, the steps which Jesus Christ ascended on His way to meet Pontius Pilate.
8. The Chains of Saint Peter, in the Church of St. Peter in Chains in Rome.
Many more.........
We know from its sheer Size and Rapid Growth, with over 1,057,000,000* (one billion, fifty-seven million) members, or one in six of the entire population of the earth, as of February 2000. That is an increase of over 40,000,000 (forty million), since December 1997, more than half of the total membership of the largest single non-Catholic denomination. In 2001, the Catholic Church grew to over 1,070,540,000* members, plus another 216,000,000* Orthodox. Bar none, the Catholic Church is the fastest growing Christian Church in the world. All of the over 36,400 various Non-Catholic denominations, collectively added, total less* than the Catholic membership.
For those detractors of the Catholic Church who say that numbers are irrelevant, they are in effect, saying that Satan is winning souls and that GOD is losing souls. They are saying that more people are convinced by the lie from the father of lies, John 8:44, than they are convinced of the truth of GOD, John 14:6. They have forgotten, or maybe they never knew, that Satan can only do what GOD allows him to do.


92 posted on 11/17/2014 9:16:54 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("PRO FIDE, PRO UTILITATE HOMINUM")
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To: Salvation

She didn’t ping you. There were only two in the bucket.


93 posted on 11/17/2014 9:19:13 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Salvation

Her name is Mary Allen. A nun of over 20 years.


94 posted on 11/17/2014 9:20:54 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: NKP_Vet
All of the over 36,400 various Non-Catholic denominations, collectively added, total less* than the Catholic membership.

What, have you been thinking about them again?

95 posted on 11/17/2014 9:22:04 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: NKP_Vet
And she also abandoned these truths (with Biblical references even!) Oh, Catholics do know Scripture, don't they?

The One true Church and how to recognize it.

Use this guideline as a measure...

*It was founded by Jesus Christ Himself in Mt 16:18.
*It would be built on Simon Peter, Mt 16:18.
*It would be defended by GOD Himself, Mt 16:18-19.
*It would have authority given by Jesus Christ, Mt 16:19,18:17-18.
*It would be guided by the Holy Spirit who will dwell within it, Jn 14:15-17, Act 15:28,16:6.
*It would be one and undivided, Mk 3:24-25.
*It would have one fold and one shepherd, Jn 10:16.
*It would have Priests, Bishops, and Deacons, 1Tim 3:1-13.
*It must have the Holy Eucharist celebration, Jn 6:42-70, Acts 2:42.
*It must be found in all nations, Mt 28:19.
*It must be found in all centuries, Mt 28:20.
*Jesus Christ said He would be with His Church every day, in every year, until the end of the world,   Mt 28:20. (This means no gaps in time.)


96 posted on 11/17/2014 9:22:08 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Amen.


97 posted on 11/17/2014 9:43:59 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("PRO FIDE, PRO UTILITATE HOMINUM")
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To: Salvation

>>St. Paul teaches us in Philippians 2:12-13, “So then, my beloved, obedient as you have always been, not only when I am present but all the more now when I am absent, work out your salvation with fear and trembling. For God is the one who, for his good purpose, works in you both to desire and to work.”<<

What exactly do you wish to point out?

Thanks


98 posted on 11/17/2014 9:52:33 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: redleghunter

That Catholics read Scripture. LOL!


99 posted on 11/17/2014 9:53:21 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Ok, it was one verse posted to point out Catholics read scriptures.

I thought you were going to provide some exegesis.


100 posted on 11/17/2014 10:08:45 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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