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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer

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Pure myth! That is today’s typical view of a literal Adam and Eve. Yet, contrary to current skepticism, a real Adam and Eve remain credible—both in terms of Catholic doctrine and sound natural science.

By calling the Genesis story a “myth,” people avoid saying it is mere “fantasy,” that is, with no foundation in reality at all. While rejecting a literal first pair of human parents for all mankind, they hope to retain some “deeper” truth about an original “sinful human condition,” a “mythic” meaning. They think that the latest findings in paleoanthropology and genetics render a literal pair of first true human parents to be “scientifically impossible.”

The prevailing assumption underlying media reports about human origins is that humanity evolved very gradually over vast periods of time as a population (a collection of interbreeding organisms), which itself originally evolved from a Homo/Pan (human/chimpanzee) common ancestor millions of years ago. Therefore, we are not seen as descendants of the biblical Adam and Eve.

This universal evolutionary perspective leads many Catholics and others to conclude that a literal Adam and Eve is “scientifically impossible” for two reasons: First, paleoanthropologists deny the sudden appearance of intelligent, self-reflective, fully-human primates, but rather view the emergence of consciousness and intelligence as taking place slowly and incrementally over long periods of time. Second, in light of recent findings in molecular biology, especially from studies based on genetic data gleaned from the Human Genome Project, it is claimed that the hominin population (the primate group from which modern man is said to have arisen) has never had a bottleneck (reduced population) of a single mating pair in the last seven or more million years: no literal Adam and Eve. Many succumb to the modernist tendency to “adjust” Church teaching to fit the latest scientific claims—thus intimidating Catholics into thinking that divinely revealed truths can be abandoned—“if need be.”

This skepticism of a literal Adam and Eve begs for four much needed corrections.

First, Church teaching about Adam and Eve has not, and cannot, change. The fact remains that a literal Adam and Eve are unchanging Catholic doctrine. Central to St. Paul’s teaching is the fact that one man, Adam, committed original sin and that through the God-man, Jesus Christ, redemption was accomplished (Romans 5:12-21; 1 Cor. 15: 21-22). In paragraphs 396-406, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, speaks of Adam and Eve as a single mating pair who “committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state” (CCC, 404). “Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back toward God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle” (CCC, 405). The doctrines surrounding original sin cannot be altered “without undermining the mystery of Christ” (CCC, 389).

Today, many think that Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Humani generis did not definitively exclude theological polygenism. What they fail to notice, though, is that the Holy Father clearly insists that Scripture and the Magisterium affirm that original sin “proceeds from a sin truly committed by one Adam [ab uno Adamo]” and that this sin is transmitted to all true human beings through generation (para. 37). This proves that denial of a literal Adam (and his spouse, Eve) as the sole first genuinely human parents of all true human beings is not theologically tenable.

Second, rational human nature itself requires that mankind made an instant appearance on planet Earth. Paleoanthropological claims of gradual appearance of specifically human traits fail to comport with a true philosophy of human nature. Reflecting classical Christian thought, St. Thomas Aquinas demonstrates that true man is distinguished essentially from lower animals by possession of an intellectual and immortal soul, which possesses spiritual powers of understanding, judgment, and reasoning (Summa theologiae I, 75). While these qualitatively superior abilities are manifested through special forms of tool making or culture or art, they need not always be evident in the paleontological record. Sometimes true men share mere animal survival behavior and sometimes truly human behavior is lost to modern sight due to the ravages of time. What matters is that genuinely spiritual powers are either present or not, and that these alone bespeak the presence of true man. Irrational animals, including subhuman primates, are capable of complex sentient behaviors often approaching or imitating the rational activities of true man. But an animal either possesses a spiritual, intellectual soul or not. Thus at some point in time, true man suddenly appears—whether visible to modern science or not. Before that time, all subhuman behavior manifests merely material sensory abilities. The fact that positivistic scientists cannot discern the first presence of true man is hardly remarkable.

Third, a correct understanding of the scientific (inductive) method reveals that it cannot ever logically exclude the possibility of two sole founders of humanity. Natural scientific studies employ the inductive method of reasoning. Empirically observed data is employed to form testable hypotheses. Molecular biologists use computer models in an attempt to validate such hypotheses and reach conclusions about genetic conditions in early primate populations. In this process, some researchers have committed the logically invalid move of inferring from particular data to the universally negative claim that a literal Adam and Eve is impossible. Such methodology produces, at best, solely probable conclusions, based on available evidence and the assumptions used to evaluate the data. There is the inherent possibility that an unknown factor will alter the conclusion, similarly as was the unexpected discovery of black swans in Australia, when the whole world “knew” all swans were white.

Fourth, specific scientific arguments against Adam and Eve have proven not as forceful as many presently believe (Gauger 2012). For example, some have claimed that effective population size estimates for the last several million years would not permit just two true humans to have lived during that time. Still, the technical concept of average effective population size estimates should not be confused with an actual “bottleneck” (a temporarily reduced population) which may be much smaller. Effective population size estimates can vary from as high as 14,000 (Blum 2011) to as low as 2,000 (Tenesa 2007), depending on the methods used.

Such calculations rely upon many assumptions about mutation rate, recombination rate, and other factors, that are known to vary widely. All of this entails retrospective calculations about events in the far distant past, for which we have no directly verifiable data. For such reasons, some experts have concluded that effective population size cannot be determined using DNA sequence differences alone (Sjödin 2005; Hawks 2008).

Indeed, the most famous genetic study proclaimed as a “scientific objection” to Adam and Eve turned out to be based on methodological errors. An article by geneticist Francisco J. Ayala appearing in the journal, Science (1995), led many to believe that a founding population of only two individuals was impossible. Ayala based his challenge to monogenism (two sole founders of humanity) on the large number of versions (alleles) of the particular gene HLA-DRB1, which are present in the current population. Accepting the common ancestor theory, he claimed that there were thirty-two ancient lineages of the HLA-DRB1 gene prior to the Homo/Pan split (approximately seven million years ago). Over time, these “pre-split” lineages, themselves, evolved into the new additional versions present today. Because each individual carries only two versions of a gene, a single founding pair could not have passed on the thirty-two versions that Ayala claimed existed some seven million years ago—either at that time or at any time since. A bottleneck of just two true humans, Adam and Eve, was “scientifically impossible.”

However, Ayala’s claim of thirty-two ancient HLA-DRB1 lineages (prior to the Homo/Pan split) was wrong because of methodological errors. The number of lineages was subsequently adjusted by Bergström (1998) to just seven at the time of the split, with most of the genetic diversity appearing in the last 250,000 years. A still later study coming out of Bergström’s group inferred that just four such lineages existed more than five million years ago, but that a few more appeared soon thereafter (von Salomé 2007). While two mating hominins can transmit four lineages, the few additional later ones still require explanation.

These genetic studies, based on many assumptions and use of computer models, do not tell us how the origin of the human race actually took place. But, they do show (1) that methodological limitations and radical contingency are inherent in such studies, which are employed to make retroactive judgments about deeply ancient populations that can never be subject to direct observation, and (2) that present scientific claims against the possibility of a literal Adam and Eve are not definitive (Gauger 2012, 105-122).

Philosopher Kenneth W. Kemp and others have suggested that interbreeding between true humans and subhuman primates in the same biological population might account for presently observed genetic diversity (Kemp 2011). Such interbreeding is not to be confused with the marriages between true human siblings and cousins which would have occurred in the first generations following Adam and Eve, which unions were a necessary part of God’s plan for the initial propagation of mankind (Gen. 1:28).

The difficulty with any interbreeding solution (save, perhaps, in rare instances) is that it would place at the human race’s very beginning a severe impediment to its healthy growth and development. Natural law requires that marriage and procreation take place solely between a man and a woman, so that children are given proper role models for adult life. So too, even if the union between a true human and a subhuman primate were not merely transitory, but lasting, the defective parenting and role model of a parent who is not a true human being would introduce serious disorder in the proper functioning of the family and education of children. Hence, widespread interbreeding is not an acceptable solution to the problem of genetic diversity.

Moreover, given the marked reduction in the number of ancient HLA-DRB1 alleles found by the later genetic studies of Bergström and von Salomé, it may turn out that no interbreeding is needed at all, or at most, that very rare instances of it may have occurred. Such rare events might not even entail the consent of true human beings, since they could result from an attack by a subhuman male upon a non-consenting human female.

A literal Adam and Eve remains rationally, scientifically credible.

Since the same God is author both of human reason and of authentic revelation, legitimate natural science, properly conducted, will never contradict Catholic doctrine, properly understood. Catholic doctrine still maintains that a literal Adam and Eve must have existed, a primal couple who committed that personal original sin, which occasioned the need for, and the divine promise of, the coming of the Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

Editor’s note: The image above is a detail from “The Fall of Man” painted by Hendrik Goltzius in 1616.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: adam; adamandeve; creation; crevo; crevolist; eve; evolution; fazalerana; gardenofeden; genesis; hughross; originalparents; origins
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To: Elsie
It does NOT say the GIANTs mated with the Humans; it merely says they were on the earth.

Giants were the result of the fallen angels and the daughters of Adam. The fallen angels are supernatural. Satan's lieutenants.

The BOOK says: Let Us create Man in Our image. So there you get some 'sons of God'; right??

Jesus was the only begotten son of God, we are in the likeness of the Elohim. When God said "our image", it was He (Jesus), and the billions of Elohim (us).

These things happened BEFORE Genesis chapter 6....

Yes, Adam lived before Noah. Abel and Seth were Adam's children. Cain is not listed as a son of Adam.

561 posted on 11/28/2014 9:21:55 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Elsie
So the angels in Heaven do NOT have sex; but the fallen ones DO??

They're supernatural, they pulled it off somehow. Their mission was to destroy Adam's family.

562 posted on 11/28/2014 9:24:01 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: verga

I provided the context of the entire passage. It’s there for examination. Not just the clippings all of it.


563 posted on 11/28/2014 9:29:58 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Boogieman
Why would you assume they all had to be different races? That’s a strange assumption. Are you going to tell us that black skin is the “curse of Cain” next?

Blacks have nothing to do with Cain. The curse of Cain is to be a wanderer and to not be able to till the ground.

The Egyptians claimed their Pharaohs ruled for tens of thousands of years, but we know that is not true. Nearly every pagan culture claims an impossibly long history, and they also usually claim to have always lived in the land they are in now, despite the fact that we know they migrated from elsewhere. Those writers were simply not very reliable.

There's plenty of evidence for artifacts of certain cultures going farther back than 2350BC, way farther.

If you are claiming there were others saved besides the eight on the Ark, then they couldn’t have souls, so they couldn’t be men. So what are you saying exactly? That some other races look human but do not have human souls?

They had souls. Rightly divide the Word, the bible is the story of Adam's family and those who came in contact with them. Since the crucifixion, all who believe in Christ are part of Adam's family.

But if you don’t, you are subhuman? Is that it?

There are no subhumans.

564 posted on 11/28/2014 9:31:55 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: BroJoeK

Let me ask a different way:

Where is ‘here’ for you? Meaning where can we as Christians and even Hebrews/Jews take the historical record of Scriptures as literally true?


565 posted on 11/28/2014 9:34:20 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Boogieman
Then you must have some rule or principle that you can tell us, so that we can apply that principle consistently in determining which is which. Do you have such a principle? Or do you just choose “a day” or “a thousand years” depending on what is convenient for you?

We are instructed to rightly divide the Word. It takes a lifetime of study to make good progress in rightly dividing the Word. If it were easy, none of us would disagree on what the bible says. There are two billion Christians and 2 billion opinions on what the Word says because the Word is pregnant, one can never reach full wisdom in the flesh as Jesus did.

566 posted on 11/28/2014 9:36:24 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Boogieman
Why would you assume they all had to be different races? That’s a strange assumption. Are you going to tell us that black skin is the “curse of Cain” next?

BTW, you dodged the question. If everyone on earth is descended from Noah in 2350BC, then how is it we have blacks, orientals, pygmys, the red man, and everyone in between? All these changes occurred in just a few hundred years after Noah? Blacks and orientals have been in America for 400 years, I see no change in them here from the 1600s.

567 posted on 11/28/2014 9:48:45 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“There’s plenty of evidence for artifacts of certain cultures going farther back than 2350BC, way farther.”

Well, you go ahead and believe your interpretation of that evidence, and I will believe the Word of God. Someday, we will know which is right.

“They had souls.”

Not according to the verse I quoted. Only eight souls survived the flood, so if you say others survived, they could not have had souls, unless you want to call God a liar.


568 posted on 11/28/2014 9:55:33 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“We are instructed to rightly divide the Word. It takes a lifetime of study to make good progress in rightly dividing the Word.”

Sounds like a whole lot of words to say “No, I don’t have any objective principle of interpretation, I just apply the rule when I feel like it”.

If that is not the case, then you would be able to state a consistent interpretive principle plainly. If you can’t do that, then I assume it doesn’t exist.


569 posted on 11/28/2014 9:57:37 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“BTW, you dodged the question. If everyone on earth is descended from Noah in 2350BC, then how is it we have blacks, orientals, pygmys, the red man, and everyone in between?”

Well, you didn’t actually ask that question, you asked whether three brothers from the same family were different races, which is quite an odd question to ask.

Now that you ask, I will say, the races are quite obviously the result of environmental adaptation, specifically to the environments that people settled in after the flood. Also, the races do not seem to correspond to which of Noah’s children someone descended from. Both Hamitic and Semitic people settled in the Middle East, for example, and experienced the same environmental pressures, and ended up morphological similar, while Hamitic peoples who settled in sub-Sarahan Africa ended up looking much different.

Of course none of that is really relevant, since the Bible doesn’t bother to talk about race, because it isn’t important. Which makes me wonder why it seems important to you.


570 posted on 11/28/2014 10:03:01 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Well, you go ahead and believe your interpretation of that evidence, and I will believe the Word of God. Someday, we will know which is right.

Yep.

Not according to the verse I quoted. Only eight souls survived the flood, so if you say others survived, they could not have had souls,...

Well now, if you really want to get technical, the verse says "saved by water". So maybe He saved 8 souls by water then millions by underground air pockets or such. I don't care how he saved them, they were all here before Noah, they were all here after Noah.

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

unless you want to call God a liar.

I consider that a great sin for someone to say, "believe as I do, or you're calling God a liar". That person is saying he is perfect in wisdom as Jesus. You'll never hear me say that, that's for sure.

571 posted on 11/28/2014 10:08:31 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Boogieman
Sounds like a whole lot of words to say “No, I don’t have any objective principle of interpretation, I just apply the rule when I feel like it”. If that is not the case, then you would be able to state a consistent interpretive principle plainly. If you can’t do that, then I assume it doesn’t exist.

I think you've done that all your life, make false assumptions.

572 posted on 11/28/2014 10:10:14 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Open-mindedness is more considering multiple possibilities then choosing the correct one that aligns with truth.

If one does in fact align. Sometimes, the answer to the possibilities question is...E...none of the above.
573 posted on 11/28/2014 10:11:52 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: Boogieman
Well, you didn’t actually ask that question, you asked whether three brothers from the same family were different races, which is quite an odd question to ask. Now that you ask, I will say, the races are quite obviously the result of environmental adaptation, specifically to the environments that people settled in after the flood. Also, the races do not seem to correspond to which of Noah’s children someone descended from. Both Hamitic and Semitic people settled in the Middle East, for example, and experienced the same environmental pressures, and ended up morphological similar, while Hamitic peoples who settled in sub-Sarahan Africa ended up looking much different.

Evolution? Even so, there was not enough time to change bones and such.

Of course none of that is really relevant, since the Bible doesn’t bother to talk about race, because it isn’t important. Which makes me wonder why it seems important to you.

You've been focusing on it a lot more than I have. lol

574 posted on 11/28/2014 10:13:59 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Resettozero
If one does in fact align. Sometimes, the answer to the possibilities question is...E...none of the above.

Very true. If the Democratic Party offers multiple solutions to a problem, it's always "none of the above". :^)

575 posted on 11/28/2014 10:16:28 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
It takes a lifetime of study to make good progress in rightly dividing the Word. If it were easy, none of us would disagree on what the bible says.

Or a shorter period of time if the Holy Spirit is doing the instructing.

I believe what the Holy Bible (Word of God) says. Not what it doesn't say. Children tend to think like this more than educated adults who have obtained myraid doubts about almost everything.

In many ways, it IS easier just to believe what God has said. Many of the great thinkers, the finest scientific and philosophic minds, will be dumbfounded when they finally realize just how very true and accurate and meaningful every jot, tittle, and Selah of the OT are and every chosen word and phrase of the NT as well. The Word is alive!

Best to believe what God has said and not doubt it for a second.
576 posted on 11/28/2014 10:23:13 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: NYer

At some point, humans began their God given ability to abstract information from their environment. When that occurred, thus Adam and Eve.


577 posted on 11/28/2014 10:31:01 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Resettozero

I have no doubts. The purpose of publishing the Word is to save souls. I believe we can save more souls by aligning the Word with God’s laws of physics and everyday observations. College students can see that there is pottery from thousands of years BC, they can also see how the Green River, for instance, has cut through thousands of feet of rock. How many college students would be convinced by me going in front of them and telling them that all this happened in a few hundred years. No souls saved is my guess. On the other hand with a bit of physical study, a bit of biblical study, and a bit of spiritual guidance we can make it all align neatly. God made the earth and He has been on the throne throughout the earth’s history, He’s made no mistakes in the bible, it’s just up to us to put it together to save as many of His children as possible. He gives us that responsibility so that we can truly be part of the eternity.


578 posted on 11/28/2014 10:32:53 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: BroJoeK

What I wrote is not in conflict with God’s word...and I never said when Adam was created.


579 posted on 11/28/2014 10:49:46 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
The purpose of publishing the Word is to save souls.

I detect that because of your education, you have a higher respect for man-achieved knowledge than I do.

As for me, I believe each "man-made advancement" in the past several hundreds of years (and perhaps throughout history) has been through Godly inspiration, tireless effort to follow through on the God-breathed idea, and with God's blessings.

Not all ideas have come from God or events caused by God, evidenced by His allowing Satan to continue his destructive works to eradicate godly men from the Earth...for God's Own reasons...and yet, God has never once relinquished control of anything or any situation. He alone is God and there is none other.

And lastly, I think of the Word of God as so very much more than printed words on pieces of paper or shown on an LCD screen. The Word of God is a Person with a Voice, the Lord Jesus Christ, alive and ready to appear on Earth again, this time to rule decisively, as soon as Our Heavenly Father sends Him with His saints and angels.

All of the Holy Scriptures (Books of the Holy Bible) point to Christ and are regarding Him in one way or another. Many folks, to their own detriment, still refuse to believe the Lord Jesus Christ is indeed the Son of the Living God and IS God.
580 posted on 11/28/2014 10:56:20 AM PST by Resettozero
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