Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer
"A lot of first person, personal assurances there. My kindness is blunt. Murray's chapel teachings are cultic. He claimed to be a prophet and made predictions which did not come to be. He is in the same batch of false predictors as the Millerites, Mormons and Harold Camping."
"Well, I thought it was going to be 2003, so we're not perfect are we?"
That's right, mankind isn't perfect, but God Almighty is, and Scripture says that if a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord and the prophecy doesn't come to pass, you will know that he isn't from the Lord.
So you see, Scripture is hardly as flippant about false prophets as you seem to be.
Yes, they are politically correct. All the big ones.
It's all about Murray with you, it seems. He said something, so it's Gospel. Why would you take the word of one man against all of Christendom and believe he's correct?
It's all about taking a man's pastoral teachings and checking them out in the Word and by observation. I disagree with Arnold on a lot of things, as the last few posts here shows. I'd say John of Patmos was the last prophet, not John the Baptist (maybe Arnold meant John of Patmos but accidentally said John the Baptist). I agree with Arnold about 90% of the time, about the same as Rush.
When you start thinking that everyone is against the person you admire, and that he's never wrong but everyone else IS, you have the makings of a cult of personality, and that is a problem. Do you not see this?
I will openly agree with Arnold's critics when they're right, as I have on this thread the last few posts. No cult of personality here.
See, it's not about popularity. None of this is personal, yet you apparently take it as an "Arnold against the world" type of thing.
When some resort to purposeful lies, yes it's personal.
Christianity doesn't teach that only 7000 will stand firm against the AntiChrist; yet Murray claims it and you accept it. Why?
Because it is written in Rom 11:4
I wonder if his followers were afraid he would launch into one of his angry tirades against them, and call them losers, yo-yos, idiots, etc., as he did with all of his detractors. Fine Christian witness, that.
I love it when he does that! He tried to pull his gun on a disruptor one time, it was great. lol
False doctrines land people in hell. There's nothing worse than that.
But then, Murray's teachings coincided with some tenets of the Mormon faith, so....
Because it's written in Rom 11:4
Do you even realize how you sound?
Hopefully different, seeing how Satan will deceive the whole world but 7000. I want to be that one in a million.
Arnold denied being a prophet. He was just wrong, as we all are on occasion.
Holding the truth silent is worse. At least with false doctrine it can be rejected.
But then, Murray's teachings coincided with some tenets of the Mormon faith, so....
I have no idea about that.
What “big ones?” If you mean Mainline Protestant churches, I’d agree with you.
But we’re talking conservative evangelical sites which document Murray’s errors in great detail. The PC accusation doesn’t wash.
Murray’s teachings clearly contradict Christian doctrine, but you’re in deep, so I doubt anyone here is going to make you see sense.
You love it when a so-called man of God insulted people for disagreeing with him?
For pulling a gun on a critic?
Dude, I’m not kidding....you need de-programming in the worst way.
That is not at all what it means.
I'd have to look at their teachings. I assume they deride Arnold due to political correctness.
Murray’s teachings clearly contradict Christian doctrine, but you’re in deep, so I doubt anyone here is going to make you see sense.
Lol. Everything I believe can be documented in the Word.
You love it when a so-called man of God insulted people for disagreeing with him?
For being lazy and PC.
For pulling a gun on a critic?
It's private property and the Word of God is being taught, do not disrupt that. Would you go into some stranger's home, stand in their living room and start deriding them? If so, you would deserve to have a gun pointed at you to get you out.
Dude, I’m not kidding....you need de-programming in the worst way.
Let me guess, re-education.
Mat 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
End-time prophecy. Yeah, people will be delivered to death (Satan) for de-programming.
I disagree.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Murray said that the AntiChrist would appear in 1981. That is a prophecy.
It didn't happen, which makes him a false prophet. When a person sets himself up as a Christian leader and starts predicting endtimes events, it's much more serious than merely "being wrong." Doesn't matter how much he denied it.
Speaking of setting himself up as a leader, before I forget it, let me note that Murray claimed he had a doctorate degree. He was later proven to be lying.
You can all you like, but Arnold Murray's secret decoder ring misled you.
Arnold always said to check everything he said in the Word. With the prophets, you did not check them out, you took their sayings as from God and not to be questioned. If God said through the prophets "Go to War", you went!
Speaking of setting himself up as a leader, before I forget it, let me note that Murray claimed he had a doctorate degree. He was later proven to be lying.
I never heard that.
Why do all of you talk like you’re in high school?
Then why do you think Deuteronomy 18:20-22 exists? Did God put it there just as filler?
Murray made a prophesy.
It didn't happen.
He was a false prophet.
The logic is simple, the Scripture is clear. It's up to you whether you will continue to defend the man over God's word.
It isn't about Murray, or anyone else; it's about God. Murray's wrong teachings in no way affect the truth of the Gospel. Murray was one man; God was and is and shall be. He's the one who deserves your loyalty.
"Speaking of setting himself up as a leader, before I forget it, let me note that Murray claimed he had a doctorate degree. He was later proven to be lying."
"I never heard that."
Yep, it's true. the information is readily available.
False prophecy, insulting critics by calling them names (would the disciples have done so?), lying about his qualifications...ask yourself honestly if this is what a man of God is supposed to be.
If you'd explain more in detail why my post came across that way, I'd appreciate it.
It would apply to those calling themselves prophets.
Murray made a prophesy. It didn't happen. He was a false prophet.
And so have some of you made a false prediction. You say Rom 11:4 doesn't apply to the end times. You're wrong. So are you a false prophet also? People who read God's Word are sometimes wrong. It happens to all of us.
The logic is simple, the Scripture is clear. It's up to you whether you will continue to defend the man over God's word.
Oh yeah, he's the best I've seen and wrong much less than any other pastor/teacher.
It isn't about Murray, or anyone else; it's about God. Murray's wrong teachings in no way affect the truth of the Gospel. Murray was one man; God was and is and shall be. He's the one who deserves your loyalty.
Yep. That why I say Arnold is right 90% of the time and God is right 100% of the time.
Yep, it's true. the information is readily available.
Oookaaay.
False prophecy,...
Wrong prediction, as has happened to all of us.
...insulting critics by calling them names (would the disciples have done so?),...
Oh certainly! Peter called Simon Magus the "gall of bitterness".
...lying about his qualifications...
Proof? In your own words, not some false website.
......ask yourself honestly if this is what a man of God is supposed to be.
Oh certainly!
If it's not obvious to you, then nothing would be clear to you.
Then I guess I missed out on the decoder ring for high school talk, huh?
"Oookaaay."
That's right.
Every single bit of criticism about Arnold Murray is made-up/untrue/politically correct/a huge conspiracy/sent down by the Martians to disrupt our satellites.
His claim was investigated and proven untrue, you say? Well, that just can't be. Even if you THINK it was "proven", it's all a lie by the PC people, because...because, well, it's Arnold! "They" wiped out all evidence that a doctorate every existed!
Dude, continue on with your personality cult. I'll send up some prayers for you, but I'm not wasting any more time with you here. Good Saturday night to you.
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