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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer

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Pure myth! That is today’s typical view of a literal Adam and Eve. Yet, contrary to current skepticism, a real Adam and Eve remain credible—both in terms of Catholic doctrine and sound natural science.

By calling the Genesis story a “myth,” people avoid saying it is mere “fantasy,” that is, with no foundation in reality at all. While rejecting a literal first pair of human parents for all mankind, they hope to retain some “deeper” truth about an original “sinful human condition,” a “mythic” meaning. They think that the latest findings in paleoanthropology and genetics render a literal pair of first true human parents to be “scientifically impossible.”

The prevailing assumption underlying media reports about human origins is that humanity evolved very gradually over vast periods of time as a population (a collection of interbreeding organisms), which itself originally evolved from a Homo/Pan (human/chimpanzee) common ancestor millions of years ago. Therefore, we are not seen as descendants of the biblical Adam and Eve.

This universal evolutionary perspective leads many Catholics and others to conclude that a literal Adam and Eve is “scientifically impossible” for two reasons: First, paleoanthropologists deny the sudden appearance of intelligent, self-reflective, fully-human primates, but rather view the emergence of consciousness and intelligence as taking place slowly and incrementally over long periods of time. Second, in light of recent findings in molecular biology, especially from studies based on genetic data gleaned from the Human Genome Project, it is claimed that the hominin population (the primate group from which modern man is said to have arisen) has never had a bottleneck (reduced population) of a single mating pair in the last seven or more million years: no literal Adam and Eve. Many succumb to the modernist tendency to “adjust” Church teaching to fit the latest scientific claims—thus intimidating Catholics into thinking that divinely revealed truths can be abandoned—“if need be.”

This skepticism of a literal Adam and Eve begs for four much needed corrections.

First, Church teaching about Adam and Eve has not, and cannot, change. The fact remains that a literal Adam and Eve are unchanging Catholic doctrine. Central to St. Paul’s teaching is the fact that one man, Adam, committed original sin and that through the God-man, Jesus Christ, redemption was accomplished (Romans 5:12-21; 1 Cor. 15: 21-22). In paragraphs 396-406, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, speaks of Adam and Eve as a single mating pair who “committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state” (CCC, 404). “Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back toward God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle” (CCC, 405). The doctrines surrounding original sin cannot be altered “without undermining the mystery of Christ” (CCC, 389).

Today, many think that Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Humani generis did not definitively exclude theological polygenism. What they fail to notice, though, is that the Holy Father clearly insists that Scripture and the Magisterium affirm that original sin “proceeds from a sin truly committed by one Adam [ab uno Adamo]” and that this sin is transmitted to all true human beings through generation (para. 37). This proves that denial of a literal Adam (and his spouse, Eve) as the sole first genuinely human parents of all true human beings is not theologically tenable.

Second, rational human nature itself requires that mankind made an instant appearance on planet Earth. Paleoanthropological claims of gradual appearance of specifically human traits fail to comport with a true philosophy of human nature. Reflecting classical Christian thought, St. Thomas Aquinas demonstrates that true man is distinguished essentially from lower animals by possession of an intellectual and immortal soul, which possesses spiritual powers of understanding, judgment, and reasoning (Summa theologiae I, 75). While these qualitatively superior abilities are manifested through special forms of tool making or culture or art, they need not always be evident in the paleontological record. Sometimes true men share mere animal survival behavior and sometimes truly human behavior is lost to modern sight due to the ravages of time. What matters is that genuinely spiritual powers are either present or not, and that these alone bespeak the presence of true man. Irrational animals, including subhuman primates, are capable of complex sentient behaviors often approaching or imitating the rational activities of true man. But an animal either possesses a spiritual, intellectual soul or not. Thus at some point in time, true man suddenly appears—whether visible to modern science or not. Before that time, all subhuman behavior manifests merely material sensory abilities. The fact that positivistic scientists cannot discern the first presence of true man is hardly remarkable.

Third, a correct understanding of the scientific (inductive) method reveals that it cannot ever logically exclude the possibility of two sole founders of humanity. Natural scientific studies employ the inductive method of reasoning. Empirically observed data is employed to form testable hypotheses. Molecular biologists use computer models in an attempt to validate such hypotheses and reach conclusions about genetic conditions in early primate populations. In this process, some researchers have committed the logically invalid move of inferring from particular data to the universally negative claim that a literal Adam and Eve is impossible. Such methodology produces, at best, solely probable conclusions, based on available evidence and the assumptions used to evaluate the data. There is the inherent possibility that an unknown factor will alter the conclusion, similarly as was the unexpected discovery of black swans in Australia, when the whole world “knew” all swans were white.

Fourth, specific scientific arguments against Adam and Eve have proven not as forceful as many presently believe (Gauger 2012). For example, some have claimed that effective population size estimates for the last several million years would not permit just two true humans to have lived during that time. Still, the technical concept of average effective population size estimates should not be confused with an actual “bottleneck” (a temporarily reduced population) which may be much smaller. Effective population size estimates can vary from as high as 14,000 (Blum 2011) to as low as 2,000 (Tenesa 2007), depending on the methods used.

Such calculations rely upon many assumptions about mutation rate, recombination rate, and other factors, that are known to vary widely. All of this entails retrospective calculations about events in the far distant past, for which we have no directly verifiable data. For such reasons, some experts have concluded that effective population size cannot be determined using DNA sequence differences alone (Sjödin 2005; Hawks 2008).

Indeed, the most famous genetic study proclaimed as a “scientific objection” to Adam and Eve turned out to be based on methodological errors. An article by geneticist Francisco J. Ayala appearing in the journal, Science (1995), led many to believe that a founding population of only two individuals was impossible. Ayala based his challenge to monogenism (two sole founders of humanity) on the large number of versions (alleles) of the particular gene HLA-DRB1, which are present in the current population. Accepting the common ancestor theory, he claimed that there were thirty-two ancient lineages of the HLA-DRB1 gene prior to the Homo/Pan split (approximately seven million years ago). Over time, these “pre-split” lineages, themselves, evolved into the new additional versions present today. Because each individual carries only two versions of a gene, a single founding pair could not have passed on the thirty-two versions that Ayala claimed existed some seven million years ago—either at that time or at any time since. A bottleneck of just two true humans, Adam and Eve, was “scientifically impossible.”

However, Ayala’s claim of thirty-two ancient HLA-DRB1 lineages (prior to the Homo/Pan split) was wrong because of methodological errors. The number of lineages was subsequently adjusted by Bergström (1998) to just seven at the time of the split, with most of the genetic diversity appearing in the last 250,000 years. A still later study coming out of Bergström’s group inferred that just four such lineages existed more than five million years ago, but that a few more appeared soon thereafter (von Salomé 2007). While two mating hominins can transmit four lineages, the few additional later ones still require explanation.

These genetic studies, based on many assumptions and use of computer models, do not tell us how the origin of the human race actually took place. But, they do show (1) that methodological limitations and radical contingency are inherent in such studies, which are employed to make retroactive judgments about deeply ancient populations that can never be subject to direct observation, and (2) that present scientific claims against the possibility of a literal Adam and Eve are not definitive (Gauger 2012, 105-122).

Philosopher Kenneth W. Kemp and others have suggested that interbreeding between true humans and subhuman primates in the same biological population might account for presently observed genetic diversity (Kemp 2011). Such interbreeding is not to be confused with the marriages between true human siblings and cousins which would have occurred in the first generations following Adam and Eve, which unions were a necessary part of God’s plan for the initial propagation of mankind (Gen. 1:28).

The difficulty with any interbreeding solution (save, perhaps, in rare instances) is that it would place at the human race’s very beginning a severe impediment to its healthy growth and development. Natural law requires that marriage and procreation take place solely between a man and a woman, so that children are given proper role models for adult life. So too, even if the union between a true human and a subhuman primate were not merely transitory, but lasting, the defective parenting and role model of a parent who is not a true human being would introduce serious disorder in the proper functioning of the family and education of children. Hence, widespread interbreeding is not an acceptable solution to the problem of genetic diversity.

Moreover, given the marked reduction in the number of ancient HLA-DRB1 alleles found by the later genetic studies of Bergström and von Salomé, it may turn out that no interbreeding is needed at all, or at most, that very rare instances of it may have occurred. Such rare events might not even entail the consent of true human beings, since they could result from an attack by a subhuman male upon a non-consenting human female.

A literal Adam and Eve remains rationally, scientifically credible.

Since the same God is author both of human reason and of authentic revelation, legitimate natural science, properly conducted, will never contradict Catholic doctrine, properly understood. Catholic doctrine still maintains that a literal Adam and Eve must have existed, a primal couple who committed that personal original sin, which occasioned the need for, and the divine promise of, the coming of the Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

Editor’s note: The image above is a detail from “The Fall of Man” painted by Hendrik Goltzius in 1616.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: adam; adamandeve; creation; crevo; crevolist; eve; evolution; fazalerana; gardenofeden; genesis; hughross; originalparents; origins
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; redleghunter

"A lot of first person, personal assurances there. My kindness is blunt. Murray's chapel teachings are cultic. He claimed to be a prophet and made predictions which did not come to be. He is in the same batch of false predictors as the Millerites, Mormons and Harold Camping."

"Well, I thought it was going to be 2003, so we're not perfect are we?"

That's right, mankind isn't perfect, but God Almighty is, and Scripture says that if a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord and the prophecy doesn't come to pass, you will know that he isn't from the Lord.

So you see, Scripture is hardly as flippant about false prophets as you seem to be.

781 posted on 11/29/2014 1:15:30 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon
Let me get this straight. You say every source that brings Murray's errors to light is "politically correct.", despite the fact that many of them are evangelical and likely the opposite of PC.

Yes, they are politically correct. All the big ones.

It's all about Murray with you, it seems. He said something, so it's Gospel. Why would you take the word of one man against all of Christendom and believe he's correct?

It's all about taking a man's pastoral teachings and checking them out in the Word and by observation. I disagree with Arnold on a lot of things, as the last few posts here shows. I'd say John of Patmos was the last prophet, not John the Baptist (maybe Arnold meant John of Patmos but accidentally said John the Baptist). I agree with Arnold about 90% of the time, about the same as Rush.

When you start thinking that everyone is against the person you admire, and that he's never wrong but everyone else IS, you have the makings of a cult of personality, and that is a problem. Do you not see this?

I will openly agree with Arnold's critics when they're right, as I have on this thread the last few posts. No cult of personality here.

See, it's not about popularity. None of this is personal, yet you apparently take it as an "Arnold against the world" type of thing.

When some resort to purposeful lies, yes it's personal.

Christianity doesn't teach that only 7000 will stand firm against the AntiChrist; yet Murray claims it and you accept it. Why?

Because it is written in Rom 11:4

I wonder if his followers were afraid he would launch into one of his angry tirades against them, and call them losers, yo-yos, idiots, etc., as he did with all of his detractors. Fine Christian witness, that.

I love it when he does that! He tried to pull his gun on a disruptor one time, it was great. lol

782 posted on 11/29/2014 1:16:12 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"With political correctness people are silenced. With Mormonism, they lay out their beliefs and one can either accept them or reject them."

False doctrines land people in hell. There's nothing worse than that.

But then, Murray's teachings coincided with some tenets of the Mormon faith, so....

783 posted on 11/29/2014 1:17:42 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon
Yes, that's right. Everyone else is wrong; you have the secret knowledge. Arnold Murray dreamed up his figure of 7000 in contradiction of 2000 years of Christian writing, but HE is correct.

Because it's written in Rom 11:4

Do you even realize how you sound?

Hopefully different, seeing how Satan will deceive the whole world but 7000. I want to be that one in a million.

784 posted on 11/29/2014 1:18:33 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: CatherineofAragon
That's right, mankind isn't perfect, but God Almighty is, and Scripture says that if a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord and the prophecy doesn't come to pass, you will know that he isn't from the Lord. So you see, Scripture is hardly as flippant about false prophets as you seem to be.

Arnold denied being a prophet. He was just wrong, as we all are on occasion.

785 posted on 11/29/2014 1:20:06 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: CatherineofAragon
False doctrines land people in hell. There's nothing worse than that.

Holding the truth silent is worse. At least with false doctrine it can be rejected.

But then, Murray's teachings coincided with some tenets of the Mormon faith, so....

I have no idea about that.

786 posted on 11/29/2014 1:22:59 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

What “big ones?” If you mean Mainline Protestant churches, I’d agree with you.

But we’re talking conservative evangelical sites which document Murray’s errors in great detail. The PC accusation doesn’t wash.

Murray’s teachings clearly contradict Christian doctrine, but you’re in deep, so I doubt anyone here is going to make you see sense.

You love it when a so-called man of God insulted people for disagreeing with him?

For pulling a gun on a critic?

Dude, I’m not kidding....you need de-programming in the worst way.


787 posted on 11/29/2014 1:23:05 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"Because it's written in Rom 11:4"

That is not at all what it means.

788 posted on 11/29/2014 1:35:25 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon
What “big ones?” If you mean Mainline Protestant churches, I’d agree with you. But we’re talking conservative evangelical sites which document Murray’s errors in great detail. The PC accusation doesn’t wash.

I'd have to look at their teachings. I assume they deride Arnold due to political correctness.

Murray’s teachings clearly contradict Christian doctrine, but you’re in deep, so I doubt anyone here is going to make you see sense.

Lol. Everything I believe can be documented in the Word.

You love it when a so-called man of God insulted people for disagreeing with him?

For being lazy and PC.

For pulling a gun on a critic?

It's private property and the Word of God is being taught, do not disrupt that. Would you go into some stranger's home, stand in their living room and start deriding them? If so, you would deserve to have a gun pointed at you to get you out.

Dude, I’m not kidding....you need de-programming in the worst way.

Let me guess, re-education.

Mat 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

End-time prophecy. Yeah, people will be delivered to death (Satan) for de-programming.

789 posted on 11/29/2014 1:36:06 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: CatherineofAragon
That is not at all what it means.

I disagree.

790 posted on 11/29/2014 1:36:48 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"Arnold denied being a prophet. He was just wrong, as we all are on occasion."

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Murray said that the AntiChrist would appear in 1981. That is a prophecy.

It didn't happen, which makes him a false prophet. When a person sets himself up as a Christian leader and starts predicting endtimes events, it's much more serious than merely "being wrong." Doesn't matter how much he denied it.

Speaking of setting himself up as a leader, before I forget it, let me note that Murray claimed he had a doctorate degree. He was later proven to be lying.

791 posted on 11/29/2014 1:43:16 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"I disagree."

You can all you like, but Arnold Murray's secret decoder ring misled you.

792 posted on 11/29/2014 1:44:33 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon
Are you being deliberately obtuse? Murray said that the AntiChrist would appear in 1981. That is a prophecy. It didn't happen, which makes him a false prophet. When a person sets himself up as a Christian leader and starts predicting endtimes events, it's much more serious than merely "being wrong." Doesn't matter how much he denied it.

Arnold always said to check everything he said in the Word. With the prophets, you did not check them out, you took their sayings as from God and not to be questioned. If God said through the prophets "Go to War", you went!

Speaking of setting himself up as a leader, before I forget it, let me note that Murray claimed he had a doctorate degree. He was later proven to be lying.

I never heard that.

793 posted on 11/29/2014 1:49:25 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: CatherineofAragon

Why do all of you talk like you’re in high school?


794 posted on 11/29/2014 1:52:59 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"Arnold always said to check everything he said in the Word. With the prophets, you did not check them out, you took their sayings as from God and not to be questioned. If God said through the prophets "Go to War", you went!"

Then why do you think Deuteronomy 18:20-22 exists? Did God put it there just as filler?

Murray made a prophesy.

It didn't happen.

He was a false prophet.

The logic is simple, the Scripture is clear. It's up to you whether you will continue to defend the man over God's word.

It isn't about Murray, or anyone else; it's about God. Murray's wrong teachings in no way affect the truth of the Gospel. Murray was one man; God was and is and shall be. He's the one who deserves your loyalty.

"Speaking of setting himself up as a leader, before I forget it, let me note that Murray claimed he had a doctorate degree. He was later proven to be lying."

"I never heard that."

Yep, it's true. the information is readily available.

False prophecy, insulting critics by calling them names (would the disciples have done so?), lying about his qualifications...ask yourself honestly if this is what a man of God is supposed to be.

795 posted on 11/29/2014 1:59:49 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"Why do all of you talk like you’re in high school?"

If you'd explain more in detail why my post came across that way, I'd appreciate it.

796 posted on 11/29/2014 2:01:09 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon
Then why do you think Deuteronomy 18:20-22 exists? Did God put it there just as filler?

It would apply to those calling themselves prophets.

Murray made a prophesy. It didn't happen. He was a false prophet.

And so have some of you made a false prediction. You say Rom 11:4 doesn't apply to the end times. You're wrong. So are you a false prophet also? People who read God's Word are sometimes wrong. It happens to all of us.

The logic is simple, the Scripture is clear. It's up to you whether you will continue to defend the man over God's word.

Oh yeah, he's the best I've seen and wrong much less than any other pastor/teacher.

It isn't about Murray, or anyone else; it's about God. Murray's wrong teachings in no way affect the truth of the Gospel. Murray was one man; God was and is and shall be. He's the one who deserves your loyalty.

Yep. That why I say Arnold is right 90% of the time and God is right 100% of the time.

Yep, it's true. the information is readily available.

Oookaaay.

False prophecy,...

Wrong prediction, as has happened to all of us.

...insulting critics by calling them names (would the disciples have done so?),...

Oh certainly! Peter called Simon Magus the "gall of bitterness".

...lying about his qualifications...

Proof? In your own words, not some false website.

......ask yourself honestly if this is what a man of God is supposed to be.

Oh certainly!

797 posted on 11/29/2014 2:40:47 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: CatherineofAragon
If you'd explain more in detail why my post came across that way, I'd appreciate it.

If it's not obvious to you, then nothing would be clear to you.

798 posted on 11/29/2014 2:41:56 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"If it's not obvious to you, then nothing would be clear to you."

Then I guess I missed out on the decoder ring for high school talk, huh?

799 posted on 11/29/2014 2:55:43 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"Yep, it's true. the information is readily available."

"Oookaaay."

That's right.

Every single bit of criticism about Arnold Murray is made-up/untrue/politically correct/a huge conspiracy/sent down by the Martians to disrupt our satellites.

His claim was investigated and proven untrue, you say? Well, that just can't be. Even if you THINK it was "proven", it's all a lie by the PC people, because...because, well, it's Arnold! "They" wiped out all evidence that a doctorate every existed!

Dude, continue on with your personality cult. I'll send up some prayers for you, but I'm not wasting any more time with you here. Good Saturday night to you.

800 posted on 11/29/2014 3:03:34 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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