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Sorry, Fido. Pope Francis did NOT say our pets are going to heaven
RNS ^ | December 12, 2014 | David Gibson

Posted on 12/13/2014 2:52:13 PM PST by NYer

(RNS) When Pope Francis recently sought to comfort a distraught boy whose dog had died, the pontiff took the sort of pastoral approach he is famous for — telling the youngster not to worry, that he would one day see his pet in heaven.

“Paradise is open to all of God’s creatures,” Francis said reassuringly.

Pope Francis greets a crowd on his way to a meeting with cardinals at the Vatican on Feb. 21, 2014. RNS photo by David Gibson

Pope Francis greets a crowd on his way to a meeting with cardinals at the Vatican on Feb. 21, 2014. RNS photo by David Gibson

It was a sparkling moment on a rainy November day, and the setting in St. Peter’s Square only burnished Francis’ reputation as a kindly “people’s pope.” The story naturally lit up social media, became instant promotional material for vegetarians and animal rights groups, and on Friday even made it to the front page of The New York Times.

There’s only one problem: apparently none of it ever happened.

Yes, a version of that quotation was uttered by a pope, but it was said decades ago by Paul VI, who died in 1978. There is no evidence that Francis repeated the words during his public audience on Nov. 26, as has been widely reported, nor was there was a boy mourning his dead dog.

So how could such a fable so quickly become taken as fact?

Part of the answer may be the topic of the pope’s talk to the crowd that day, which centered on the End Times and the transformation of all creation into a “new heaven” and a “new earth.” Citing St. Paul in the New Testament, Francis said that is not “the annihilation of the cosmos and of everything around us, but the bringing of all things into the fullness of being.”

The trail of digital bread crumbs then appears to lead to an Italian news report that extended Francis’ discussion of a renewed creation to the question of whether animals too will go to heaven.

“One day we will see our pets in the eternity of Christ,” the report quoted Paul VI as telling a disconsolate boy years ago.

The story was titled, somewhat misleadingly: “Paradise for animals? The Pope doesn’t rule it out.” It wasn’t clear which pope the writer meant, however.

The next day, Nov. 27, a story in the Italian daily Corriere della Sera by veteran Vaticanista Gian Guido Vecchi pushed the headline further: “The Pope and pets: “Paradise is open to all creatures.”

Vecchi faithfully recounted the pope’s talk about a new creation, and also cited Paul VI’s remark.

But the headline put those words in Francis’ mouth, and that became the story.

The Italian version of the Huffington Post picked it up next and ran an article quoting Francis as saying “We will go to heaven with the animals” and contending that the pope was quoting St. Paul – not Pope Paul – as making that statement to console a boy who lost his dog. (That story, by the way, is nowhere in the Bible.)

The urban legend became unstoppable a week later when it was translated into English and picked up by the British press, which cited St. Paul as saying that “One day we will see our animals again in (the) eternity of Christ,” while it has Francis adding the phrase: “Paradise is open to all God’s creatures.”

Fueling the meme was the fact that Francis was photographed accepting a gift of two donkeys from a company promoting the use of donkey milk for infants allergic to cow’s milk – and Francis said his own mother gave him donkey’s milk as a baby.

Social media and other media outlets then picked up the story, further conflating the statements and the chronology. It became a hot mess of a story that was also sparking another theological debate by a pope who was known for prompting controversy.


The New York Times was the biggest of several outlets relating an apparently apocryphal tale about pets, paradise, and Pope Francis.

When The New York Times went with the story, along with input from ethicists and theologians, it became gospel truth.

Television programs discussed the pope’s theological breakthrough, news outlets created photo galleries of popes with cute animals, and others used it as a jumping off point to discuss what other religions think about animals and the afterlife. At America magazine, the Rev. James Martin wrote an essay discussing the theological implications of Francis’ statements and what level of authority they may have. It was all very interesting and illuminating, but based on a misunderstanding.

A number of factors probably contributed to this journalistic train wreck:

In most accounts, Francis’ comments were also set against statements by his predecessor, Benedict XVI, who insisted that animals did not have souls. That apparent contrast fit a common narrative pitting the more conservative Benedict against the ostensibly liberal Francis.

That may be true in some areas, but probably not when it comes to animals.

Adding insult to injury, the Times article cited St. John Paul II as saying in 1990 that animals have souls and are “as near to God as men are.” But that, too, was a misquote, as media critic Dawn Eden explained at the website GetReligion.

On the other hand, there should have been warnings signs: Francis has frowned at the modern tendency to favor pets over people, and he has criticized the vast amounts of money spent by wealthy societies on animals even as children go hungry.

In addition, the pope’s huge popularity has led to at least one other instance of myth-making: news reports last year said that Francis was sneaking out of the Vatican at night to feed the homeless around Rome.

The pope personally debunked that rumor in an interview last March, saying the idea “has never crossed my mind” and that “depicting the pope to be a sort of superman, a type of star, seems offensive to me.”

Maybe he’ll have to give another interview to deflate this latest story, and to offer his real thoughts on pets and paradise.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: heaven; mistranslated; pets
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To: NYer

41 posted on 12/13/2014 4:30:32 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: 82nd Bragger

Isaiah 11:6 speaks of the millennial reign.

That is on Earth, not the “new Earth.”

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42 posted on 12/13/2014 4:32:14 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Your tag line tells me everything I need to know about you.


43 posted on 12/13/2014 4:33:07 PM PST by bimboeruption (REMEMBER MISSISSIPPI!)
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To: Sacajaweau
So...there’s T-rex in heaven??

If so, does that change your opinion on wanting to end up there?

44 posted on 12/13/2014 4:35:14 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (“We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within.”)
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To: bimboeruption

Yes, it says that I understand you more than you’d like me to.


45 posted on 12/13/2014 4:36:10 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: lee martell

To round up the ghost dogs, you gotta call Ghostbusters.


46 posted on 12/13/2014 4:40:05 PM PST by MUDDOG
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To: Petrosius

Classic Telephone Game, wit large.


47 posted on 12/13/2014 4:44:18 PM PST by lee martell
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To: 82nd Bragger

“Not sure how anyone could think animals could NOT go to heaven after reading Isaiah 11:6”

I’m guessing you meant NOT. God meant the Garden of Eden to be “heaven” - for Him to live with us (He walked among them). And before the fall - all of the animals and humans were vegetarian - the Lion DID lay down with the lamb.

After the fall, the first thing God did was kill an animal (a sacrifice as it were) to provide clothing for Adam and Eve (an act of compassion by Him). He also gave them permission to use and eat the animals.

I think the new heaven and the new earth will be very similar to what we have now - only perfect.


48 posted on 12/13/2014 4:47:12 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: loungitude
“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.” ― Will Rogers
I concur!
49 posted on 12/13/2014 4:51:23 PM PST by Aut Pax Aut Bellum (It's only a matter of time now before SHTF.....)
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To: editor-surveyor

Isaiah 11:6 speaks of the millennial reign.

That is on Earth, not the “new Earth.”

Be that as it may, Isaiah 60:21 states, “Then all your people will be righteous and they will possess the land forever. They are the shoot I have planted, the work of my hands, for the display of my splendor.”

Clearly, the vast majority of the righteous will remain on planet earth, as indicated by the phrase ‘they will possess the land forever’. God’s original purpose for mankind has not changed since Adam.


50 posted on 12/13/2014 4:57:14 PM PST by 82nd Bragger (Count to four except when in a helicopter)
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To: bimboeruption

Isn’t this talking about humans?


51 posted on 12/13/2014 5:01:09 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Petrosius

LOL!


52 posted on 12/13/2014 5:03:07 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
Anyone who adds to or takes away from the word of God will have their name removed from the "Book of Life"...

Try this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GijmNGyBJE0

But bring your tin foil hat...and your lunch...it is long, but so very very interesting..!

53 posted on 12/13/2014 5:05:50 PM PST by unread (Rescind the 17th. Amendment...bring the power BACK to the states...!)
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To: 82nd Bragger
No one will remain on Earth!
Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

2Peter 3:

[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

54 posted on 12/13/2014 5:10:13 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Salvation; bimboeruption

>> “Isn’t this talking about humans?” <<

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Yes,it definitely is!
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55 posted on 12/13/2014 5:11:42 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: 21twelve

“Not sure how anyone could think animals could NOT go to heaven after reading Isaiah 11:6”

I’m guessing you meant NOT. God meant the Garden of Eden to be “heaven” - for Him to live with us (He walked among them). And before the fall - all of the animals and humans were vegetarian - the Lion DID lay down with the lamb.

After the fall, the first thing God did was kill an animal (a sacrifice as it were) to provide clothing for Adam and Eve (an act of compassion by Him). He also gave them permission to use and eat the animals.

I think the new heaven and the new earth will be very similar to what we have now - only perfect.

I’d be careful with the notion that the Garden of Eden was a sort of ‘heaven on earth’, unless you have a scriptural reference. God’s living with us doesn’t necessarily imply he intends to merge heaven with earth. After all, the verse only says he will make a new heaven and earth. What would be the point in saying that when he could have easily just said, “Look, I’m making a new heaven”. Only then could you infer heaven and earth would be merged. Just because God walked with Adam doesn’t mean Adam heard anything more than footsteps and felt God’s presence. I’m leaning towards the literal interpretation that in the beginning there were two realms, and Isaiah talks about two realms in the future.


56 posted on 12/13/2014 5:25:29 PM PST by 82nd Bragger (Count to four except when in a helicopter)
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To: editor-surveyor

Isaiah 65:17 “See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.

20 “Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach[a] a hundred
will be considered accursed.
21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;
my chosen ones will long enjoy
the work of their hands.
23 They will not labor in vain,
nor will they bear children doomed to misfortune;
for they will be a people blessed by the Lord,
they and their descendants with them.
24 Before they call I will answer;
while they are still speaking I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
and dust will be the serpent’s food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,”
says the Lord.


57 posted on 12/13/2014 5:38:34 PM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: editor-surveyor

No one will remain on Earth!

Please read Isaiah 65:17. There will a new heaven and earth created. Then read Isaiah 65:21-22. Who will build houses, animals? If you remain convinced that no humans will inhabit planet earth, that would be tantamount to call Isaiah a false prophet, and who inspired all scripture?


58 posted on 12/13/2014 5:40:34 PM PST by 82nd Bragger (Count to four except when in a helicopter)
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To: spacejunkie2001

21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.

LOL. You might need to restate it a few thousand times to overcome what the vast majority of churches have been saying. Hopefully, the Freepers who care to contemplate Isaiah 65:21 could ask themselves ONE simple question:
If I possess a spiritual body, what need would I have for a home, since I’m not subject to the elements?


59 posted on 12/13/2014 6:09:29 PM PST by 82nd Bragger (Count to four except when in a helicopter)
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To: spacejunkie2001

That chapter appears to mix two periods.

There will be no death in the new Jerusalem; all will have incorruptible bodies there.

Most of the chapter appears to discuss the Millennial reign of Yeshua on this Earth, where there will be death.


60 posted on 12/13/2014 7:16:21 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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