What Do We Believe About the Seven Sacraments of the Catholic Church?

The Remnant Newspaper ^ | 14 Jan 2015 | Frederick Faber

[Old Yeller]

Why did it take people 1500 years to decide that "gift/grace" and "sacrament" were somehow opposed to each other?

Because until the Reformation, people were forbidden to read God's Word.

[Old Yeller]

Why do they persist in trying to show us we are wrong? I feel absolutely no compunction to go to a Non-Catholic Church ever. Yet when I pass by a Catholic Church I must stop in and say hello, even when there are no earthly people there. Someone waits for me. :)

God is omnipresent. You shouldn't keep Him in a box.

[Salvation]

http://www.salvationhistory.com/

[Old Yeller]

ROFLOL! You read the Bible at the third grade level.

How Pharisaical of you to say so.

[.45 Long Colt]

Where did I ever say that? Oh, and you could add all of the alcohol I’ve consumed the past five years and I rather doubt it would fill a lone wine bottle. I drink too much coffee, but I don’t guzzle beer all day.

I get that you strongly believe what you said is true, but can you back it up from Scripture? I can support my arguments from the Word.

I happen to believe gathering with fellow saints for worship is important, but my Bible does not teach church attendance as a necessary condition for salvation. In fact, my Bible says there are no necessary conditions for salvation. Instead my Bible says salvation comes by grace through faith in Christ Jesus. (Eph 2:8-9) It also says, “For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.” (Romans 3:28)

My Bible says God imputes “Righteousness without works.” (Romans 4:6-7)

My Bible says it’s a grave mistake for anyone to try to, “Establish their own righteousness.” (Romans 10:3)

My Bible says Heaven deserving righteousness is a “GIFT,” not something you earn. (Romans 5:17)

My Bible says justification to God is a “FREE GIFT,” not something you work toward. (Romans 5:18)

My Bible says that Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn’t trust his “Own righteousness” to save him. (Phil. 3:9)

My Bible says God’s righteousness is credited to “ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE,” not all that work. (Romans 3:22)

My Bible says the flesh is too “Weak” to save itself. We need a Saviour. (Romans 8:3-4)

My Bible says that our very best works, our righteous acts, are as filthy rags in the eyes of God. (Isaiah 64:6)

I could go on and on, because there are hundreds of passages that support my position. You have either been mislead...or you are one of the misleaders.

Please listen to these (what if I’m right?)

Salvation by Grace Through Faith
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1227082251321

Salvation by Grace or Works?
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=33006212057

Peter Defends Salvation by Grace (Parts 1 & 2)
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=11180211256
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1118021493

I have some questions for you to answer for yourself. I don’t want your answer, just think about them. Why do you hate free grace? Why do you WANT to work for your salvation? And how will you ever know when you have done enough? In your view, Christ Jesus wasn’t able to save completely? Why do you have such a low view of the Savior?

[Iscool]

ROFLOL! You read the Bible at the third grade level.

You ever look in a bible??? They are written in 3rd grade words...That's what God intended...Where did you ever get the idea one has to be an intellectual to understand the bible...Wait, don't tell me...I'll bet I can guess...

Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

You figure Paul was speaking to Catholic intellectuals there??? He wasn't...

Rom_12:8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
2Co_1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.
2Co_11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

I'll bet even you could understand the scriptures without the interference of your Church...There is one requirement that is essential tho...You first have to believe the scriptures...

Sorry, the laugh is on you...We can only hope God is not laughing as well...

[Iscool]

If water baptism does nothing to save us, then why did Jesus specifically say, “Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” Matthew 28:19 ??

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Seems every time you guys see the words 'water' or 'baptism' in a verse you get tunnel vision and don't see anything else in the verse, or the rest of the scriptures...

What did Jesus tell these guys to do??? He told them to teach...Teach what??? He was teaching the same thing John the Baptist was teaching:

Mat_3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mar_6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
Luk_13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk_13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Luk 1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

A tremendous amount of repentance here...Doesn't speak of baptism in any of those scriptures...Clearly, repentance it the issue and the focus...

Luk_3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

Luk_3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

Mar_1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Every where we look we see repentance...And where it does speak of baptism, baptism is 100% of the time after repentance...No one gets baptized and then repents...No one...

Many of these scriptures speak about remission of sins without the baptism attached...Repent, remission...

Act_10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Here, Peter clears it up and shows us there is no baptism involved for the remission of sins...Cool, eh???

Act_2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

So what is Peter really saying here??? Is Peter saying to get water baptized so you can receive the remission of sins??? We've already seen numerous verses where there is no baptism required to receive remission of sins...

Or, is Peter saying we should get baptized BECAUSE of the remission of sins??? Did the remission of sins come before the baptism??? Sure looks like it does to me...But then what is the point of baptism, you say???

It is a public witness to God and to your friends and neighbors that you repented (turned your life toward and to Jesus)...

You guys worry so much about Mat. 28:19 while completely ignoring Luke 24:7...

Luk_24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

The command is to teach repentance resulting in the remission of sins and then baptism for your witness of that repentance...

No one in Mat. 28:18 is getting baptized without first accepting Luke 24:47...They are being told to baptize the people who have repented and received remission of sins...

[Iscool]

John 3

5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

There's not an ounce of baptism in that verse...You don't get the new birth by getting wet...

[Iscool]

Someone sitting on the ass and guzzling beer all day and never doing one thing for his fellow man and never walking in the front door of a church, but proclaiming he’s “born again” therefore he’s going to heaven, ain’t playing with a full deck. Have a nice day.

But if you do guzzle beer all day, tell your neighbor that if he's good enough he can get to purgatory and you then ocassionally do darken the door of a Catholic church, you may get to go to purgatory where if someone will pay enough money to your church, you may go to heaven...Maybe

Sounds reasonable to me...

[nanetteclaret]

If Luke 24:47 was more important than Matthew 28:19, then why didn’t Matthew mention it, too?

[Iscool]

If Luke 24:47 was more important than Matthew 28:19, then why didn’t Matthew mention it, too?

He does...He just uses a lot more words...

[Arthur McGowan]

Of course.

[CynicalBear]

I can’t even describe to you the disdain I have for anyone who denigrates or makes fun of someone’s physical features. We can rest assured that anyone who does it is totally unfamiliar with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

[Arthur McGowan]

Then you missed my point.

If someone is going to go out and make a PUBLIC CAREER out of having abandoned the priesthood, and of bashing the Catholic Church, and his appearance and mannerisms manifest inner conflict, the ravages of guilt or neurosis, then people have the right to notice.

[CynicalBear]

>>and his appearance and mannerisms manifest inner conflict, the ravages of guilt or neurosis, then people have the right to notice<<

I've seen your heart.

[Zuriel]

**Scott Hahn spent more than 20 years as an anti-Catholic Protestant, including several as a minister and seminary professor. Today he’s a Catholic theology professor, lecturer, and author.**

IMO, he climbed out of one ditch, only to fall into another.

[nanetteclaret]

where? chapter and verse, please.

[Iscool]

where? chapter and verse, please.

I just gave you a list of chapters and verses where repentance and remission of sins is without baptism...

[RnMomof7]

Scott Hahn spent more than 20 years as an anti-Catholic Protestant, including several as a minister and seminary professor. Today he's a Catholic theology professor, lecturer, and author.

Scott was going no where in the Protestant world.. he was just one of many. He has become famous and wealthy thanks to that "conversion" and laughs all the way to the bank.