Posted on 01/14/2015 10:02:53 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
Salvation and the Sacramental System
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suu2zhWeMqE
A Catholic Priest is Biblically Saved
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VKiv3ZGAWo&feature=youtu.be
Even the music sucked....
Sorry you didn’t like it. I’m merely trying to show those who don’t understand that the Bible teaches that salvation is a gift, it’s by grace, not sacrament.
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Why does his face look so utterly ravaged? Booze? Cigarettes? Neurosis? Guilt? Looks like a dried cadaver.
The sacraments are all gifts. Why do you claim that the sacraments are not a gift? They are gifts by which Jesus Christ wills to give us the grace that comes from his incarnation, his suffering, his death, and his resurrection.
Your objection to the sacraments is like saying: The Mercedes is a worthless car, because a car needs wheels. Then, no matter how many people tell you that a Mercedes DOES have wheels, you keep saying: A car must have wheels; therefore the Mercedes is a worthless car.
Richard is now an old man. Perhaps he has cancer. Perhaps he has poor genes. I really don’t know. I do know that disparaging his appearance won’t change the truth. Richard spent more than 20 years as a priest. His life proves it’s not too late for you.
Maybe you’ve never even heard the real gospel.
The Gospel Defined & Discerned
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=81901181950
Unmasking the False Gospel
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1010665821
The Gospel Defined & Discerned
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=81901181950
Unmasking the False Gospel
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1010665821
Why did it take people 1500 years to decide that "gift/grace" and "sacrament" were somehow opposed to each other?
The Armenians have seven sacraments, the Ethiopians have seven sacraments, the Copts have seven sacraments. The first two were never under Roman political domination, and the last was just barely under it, so the "Constantine corrupted Christianity" argument falls apart. Real Christianity, the kind the Apostles taught, had seven sacraments from the beginning.
Why would Jesus teach, e.g., baptism anyway? You profess him to be God, so he would have to have known he would be utterly misunderstood and a billion people would follow a mistaken idea of his teachings straight to hell ... yet he never clarified that baptism was just a nice, but powerless and superficial, way to show the world you like him. Never! (See Mark 16:16) What kind of a "Savior" is that??
The contradiction is one you have to live with. Either Jesus is God and Catholics are mostly right, or Jesus was a well-meaning fool and Catholics are completely wrong. Pick one or the other; you can't have it both ways.
Every covenant in the OT is sealed by an oath. The word "sacrament" comes from the Latin word for "oath". Think about it. Who's swearing the oath? It isn't only the recipient (see Hebrews 16:13).
Scott Hahn spent more than 20 years as an anti-Catholic Protestant, including several as a minister and seminary professor. Today he's a Catholic theology professor, lecturer, and author.
His life proves it's not too late for you.
Your own proof text reveals the answer for you...
Can you not understand what you are reading???
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
He that believes and is baptized will be saved...
He that does not believe yet is baptized will be damned...
Water baptism does nothing toward your salvation...It is the repentance/believe that does the job... It is not as difficult as you seem to make it...Just pay attention to what you are reading and compare scripture with scripture...
Every covenant in the OT is sealed by an oath. The word "sacrament" comes from the Latin word for "oath". Think about it. Who's swearing the oath? It isn't only the recipient (see Hebrews 16:13).
Heb 13:16 But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
There is no oath spoken of there...Perhaps you picked the wrong scripture...This speaks of the sacrifice we are to make...And what is that sacrifice???
Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
There's no question as to what is being said here...
Because you are so wrong...And you try to pass off that wrongness as truth in public forums, and then claim you somehow are able to connect that truthness to the scriptures, which you can't when we open the bible and take a peak...
When you say, 'this is what we believe', no one has a problem with that...But when you falsely claim that Jesus is somehow connected to your belief, we can't help but reveal the deception...
ROFLOL! You read the Bible at the third grade level.
The Christ Jesus I trust saves to the uttermost. He saved me completely. He didn’t make me jump through hoops or earn His grace, He saved me from beginning to end. He was the author and finisher of my faith. Yes, I was baptized, but that was an act of obedience, not a box I had to check with the Lord. HE is THE SAVIOR, not the baptismal water.
Also, if you believe salvation by grace was a novel concept of the Reformers you have been misled. If that is what Rome has taught you, chalk it up to another lie. Rome used to murder people who held the biblical view.
I don’t have any desire to go round and round over Roman Catholicism here at Free Republic. The problem is the propaganda for Rome is never-ending. As a Christian it is very hard to let it go when I know people have been snared by false religion. I have studied Rome at length and know it’s a works religion, not biblical Christianity. What makes it dangerous is that it is right in certain areas.
“Discernment is not knowing the difference between right and wrong. It is knowing the difference between right and almost right.” - Charles Haddon Spurgeon
I urge you to listen to prayerfully listen to the sermons I linked on the gospel. One explains what the gospel is while the other explains the characteristics of the false gospel.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
***Water baptism does nothing toward your salvation***
If water baptism does nothing to save us, then why did Jesus specifically say, “Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” Matthew 28:19 ??
John 3
5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Someone sitting on the ass and guzzling beer all day and never doing one thing for his fellow man and never walking in the front door of a church, but proclaiming he’s “born again” therefore he’s going to heaven, ain’t playing with a full deck. Have a nice day.
Wow! Couldn't refute what he said so you went after him personally? What class! Would you make fun of me because I limp due to polio also?
We were told there would be a falling away.
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