Posted on 01/28/2015 1:23:00 PM PST by RnMomof7
According to Christian belief, the Old Law ended the moment Jesus died. The Ten Commandments and the Two Great Commandments are forever, but the Mosaic ritual law ceased to operate when that which it prefigured had come to pass.
In other words, although Jesus made abundantly clear throughout his public life that FAITH is decisive in our relationship with God, he stupidly confused the issue—which was ALREADY perfectly clear—by introducing a lot of GRAPHIC language about “gnawing,” “chewing,” and “munching” on his flesh, and drinking his blood.
Oh, yes. “Gnawing,” “chewing,” and “munching” on flesh are such obvious metaphors that ANYBODY would think of as a way of talking about “believing.”
Yeah. When I read the weather report in the morning, I always “munch” on it, “chew” on it, and “gnaw” on it.
Yeah. “This is my body, which is given up for you...This is the chalice of my blood...” Right. ANYBODY would interpret those words to mean, “believe.”
No, the Prophet is not quoted there - that is indeed commentary by the author. The prophet in question is Jeremiah in 31:31. Note the context of the chapter. And note that the time Jeremiah proclaims includes Torah written on the inward parts of all men (that certainly is *not*, even to this day)- and certainly not thrown away as being old.
It was GONE when the veil in the temple was torn open.
Not ONE jot or tittle until all is fulfilled. Not only Torah, but the Prophets.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.
The Torah is not completely fulfilled. The Prophets are not completely fulfilled. Heaven and earth are still here.
That is not what the Bible says. And Torah is indivisible - not added to, nor taken from.
Before the crucifixion was still OT where eating blood was still a sin.
Additionally, the HOLY SPIRIT saw fit to reiterate the command against eating blood in the NT AFTER the day of Pentecost, well into the church age.
No matter how you try to spin it, *Don’t eat blood* means *Don’t eat blood*.
But I don’t expect Catholics to actually OBEY the clear direct commands of Jesus in the matter. They don’t with other issues, but instead rationalize their disobedience away.
Why is it that we cannot seem to realize that the Jews were GOD's chosen [people????
The laws, ANY of them, were given to THEM!!
Why do GENTILES get their panties in a wad about LAW???
I agree we must walk in the Spirit and believe the LORD Jesus Christ. The natural man does not understand the things revealed by the Spirit of the LORD; it appears as foolishness, such as arguing that Catholics, assuming the Catholic teaching is true, when receiving the Eucharist are violating the Torah, or Jesus violated the Torah in giving the teaching. Those points are akin to what the natural Jews in the text argued, and stumbled over.
When I read this I cannot help but think of a rotund pastor (not you) edifying his pious flock by preaching to them the error of the Jews grasping for bread, and then the emaciated figures of starving Jews and Gentiles enters my mind. Then I remember Jesus gave them "real food" and James tells us If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
, James, catholic chapter two, Protestant verses fifteen and sixteen, as authorized by King James.
As for the religious among us in the States, is there an epidemic sun of gluttony ? How often do we hear homilies or sermons about gluttony and obesity ? How often do we restrain ourselves by fasting ?
Firm Faith, Fat Body? Study Finds High Rate of Obesity among Religious
Huh boy!!! The law was NOT fulfilled until the perfect sacrifice had been completed. There was no new covenant until Christ died on that cross. The "blood of the new covenant could NOT have been real blood because Jesus blood was spilled on the ground. There is no blood in the risen body. God is the life in the risen body. Blood was the life in the corrupt body. After the resurrection Christ said "flesh and bone" but not blood.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
There was no blood as we see when Jesus told Thomas to put his fingers in the holes in His hands and his hand into His side.
John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
No blood flowing from those wounds. It had all been spilled on the ground as was required for any sacrifice as well as any animal slaughtered for food.
It still would have been a sin to eat the blood.
The counsel of Jerusalem reinforced the prohibition against eating ANY blood.
The Mosaic Law was not fulfilled until the Lamb was sacrificed and His Blood was spilled - on the Cross. As Jesus said, it would not pass away until "every jot and tittle" was fulfilled. So at the Last Supper, the Law was still in effect. No matter what word games you try to play, the words of Jesus make this clear.
No matter how hard you try to twist things, you cannot change the fact that at the time of the Last Supper, the Mosaic Law was still in effect, and the consuming of blood was a sin. So for your interpretation to be correct, Jesus would have been telling His disciples to commit a sin - which would have negated His ability to be a sinless sacrifice for OUR sins.
Ahh, but we are grafted unto Israel - and everyone knows there is only one law in Israel. From the least to the greatest, Torah.
If you love me, keep my commandments.
Jesus said: “Take this and drink. This is the chalice of my blood.”
It’s right there in the gospels.
According to you, Jesus WAS a sinner. He is convicted by HIS OWN WORDS.
Of course, perhaps the gospel writers were lying.
So, you have left yourself exactly two choices:
A) Jesus was a sinner;
B) The gospel accounts are lies.
According to you, drinking blood was a sin.
Jesus SAID, “Take this and drink; this is the chalice of my blood...”
Fine. Let us suppose that Jesus wasn’t telling the apostles to drink his ACTUAL blood.
That means that Jesus was telling the apostles to do something that SYMBOLIZED drinking his blood. Right?
That would mean Jesus would be okay with committing adultery SYMBOLICALLY, or committing murder SYMBOLICALLY, or worshiping idols SYMBOLICALLY.
Show me an example elsewhere in the gospels where Jesus instructs the apostles to SIN SYMBOLICALLY.
According to you, at the time of the Last Supper, drinking blood was still a sin.
Therefore, Jesus could not have given his REAL blood to drink, because that would be a sin.
So, when Jesus SAID, “Take this and drink; this is the chalice of my blood in the new covenant...”—He was instructing the apostles to do something that SYMBOLIZED the commission of a sin.
Tell me where in the gospel Jesus said it was okay to commit adultery SYMBOLICALLY. Show me where in the gospel Jesus said it’s okay to worship idols SYMBOLICALLY. Show me where Jesus said it was okay to lie SYMBOLICALLY.
A) Jesus was a sinner;
B) The gospel accounts are lies.
No, those are the choices you have left yourself. (And by the way, rewording the Scripture to make it appear to support your position doesn't work.) The commonly accepted and Scripturally sound choice is the one most here are propounding - that the cup and the bread represent the blood and flesh of Christ, just as the unleavened bread represented the haste with with they Jews departed Egypt, and the bitter herbs that were used to cook the Passover Lamb represented the bitterness of the life the Jews led in Egypt. It is only when you try to make it the literal blood and flesh that you run into problems.
Understand that I am not trying to persuade you - you are to deeply indoctrinated into this man-made dogma for me to change your mind. I am merely responding to you so that others that read the thread will see the flaws in your reasoning, and will see that every time you are challenged to support your position with Scripture, you cannot. In that way, I hope to prevent others from falling into the same error as you.
Spoken to WHOM?
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