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Evangelicals & the Eucharist (Part 1)
The Cripplegate, New Generation of Non-Conformists ^ | May 23, 2013 | Nathan Busenitz, professor of theology at Cripplegate's The Master’s Seminary

Posted on 01/28/2015 1:23:00 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: Arthur McGowan

Thanks for showing yet another change in teaching from the unchanging teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.


381 posted on 01/31/2015 3:53:11 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
If Jesus has not given us his true body and his true blood to be received in the sacrament of the Eucharist, then the Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah HAVE NOT BEEN FULFILLED.

There!

I've DISCUSSED your chosen religions teaching.


The added words, created by Rome, have infested Catholic brains like a CANCER!

They must be COMPLETELY removed or they'll grow back even WORSE!

382 posted on 01/31/2015 3:56:46 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
... the Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah ...


Matthew 26:52-56
 

52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”

55 In that hour Jesus said to the crowd, “Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me. 56 But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.

383 posted on 01/31/2015 4:14:41 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
... so afraid I would go to hell if I died before the following Saturday confession.

AHHhhh...

What we have here is a classic example of...

...The Hand in the Cookie Jar Syndrome.

384 posted on 01/31/2015 4:21:28 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Luke 16:29-31

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”


385 posted on 01/31/2015 4:23:43 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan

‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced...


Art; LISTEN to them!

It is all WRITTEN down!!!

386 posted on 01/31/2015 4:25:22 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ...
If a person allows the Host to dissolve completely in the mouth, and never actually swallows any part of the host, he does not receive the sacrament.

Pinging a bunch of former Catholics for them to find out that for their entire lives, they had been lied to about how to take communion and that they never really received the sacrament.

Now, that (not actually properly receiving the eucharist) according to Catholic doctrine would then probably put untold millions of Catholics for generations in hell.

And the RCC's answer for that is....... what?

387 posted on 01/31/2015 5:23:40 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Show us where the term *eucharist* is found anywhere in Scripture.

And provide us with the references as to properly receive it.

And provide us with the OT prophecies that have not been fulfilled because of your claim.


388 posted on 01/31/2015 5:26:00 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Iscool

Do Do That Voodoo That You Do So Well


389 posted on 01/31/2015 6:03:30 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Elsie
>>"Then all the disciples deserted him and fled".<<

Don't tell that to some here.

390 posted on 01/31/2015 6:06:43 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Placemaker


391 posted on 01/31/2015 7:19:25 AM PST by Mark17 (Calvary's love will sail forever, bright and shining, strong n free. Like an ark of peace and safety)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Placemaker


392 posted on 01/31/2015 7:20:14 AM PST by Mark17 (Calvary's love will sail forever, bright and shining, strong n free. Like an ark of peace and safety)
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To: RnMomof7

LOL... I have neither the time nor temperament any more. But we did have fun.


393 posted on 01/31/2015 8:01:10 AM PST by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Proposition:

If Jesus has not given us his true body and his true blood to be received in the sacrament of the Eucharist, then the Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah HAVE NOT BEEN FULFILLED.

Discuss.


Discuss what Arthur?  I could make a proposition that "the Scriptures predict that scientists will one day discover the Moon's core really is made of green cheese." Would you be interested in discussing that?  Especially if I made no case whatsoever that there were actual prophesies that predicted exactly that?  I didn't think so.

BTW, if you're thinking of Malachi, that's already been discredited repeatedly as prophecy of the Roman version of the Eucharist.  So here's a counter-proposal:

Proposition:

There is no OT prophecy of anything remotely like the Roman version of the Eucharist as a ritual practice for the Ecclesia that Jesus is building.

Discuss.

Peace,

SR
394 posted on 01/31/2015 8:33:23 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Elsie; metmom; CynicalBear; Springfield Reformer
Proposition:
If Jesus has not given us his true body and his true blood to be received in the sacrament of the Eucharist, then the Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah HAVE NOT BEEN FULFILLED. Discuss.

Could you provide us with the prophesy that would not be fulfilled ?

395 posted on 01/31/2015 9:25:21 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Ga 4:16)
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To: ThomasMore
LOL... I have neither the time nor temperament any more. But we did have fun.

Yes it was fun, good back and forth .. some of the people that posted I think have left this world , some have left FR.. and some just no longer have time.. :)

Have a good week end TM

396 posted on 01/31/2015 9:28:03 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Ga 4:16)
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To: All
Saul of Tarsus was a Jew who studied at the feet of Gamaliel. (who, by the way, is quoted in the Jewish Talmud, a wonderful read, but, I digress)

Saul felt, in his heart of hearts, that the new cult that were followers of a man named Jesus (Yeshua) were heretical and dangerous. As his Faith told him, he was doing the right thing, and rejoiced when Stephen the Deacon was stoned to death.

Well, we all know the rest of the story, (including those of us who don't memorize). The lesson here: Saul, later Paul, was a great man, however misguided his original intent. It did take an act of God for him to realize, however, that (pardon the bold print, apparently it is considered by some to be gauche) all that hate in the name of his beliefs was wrong.

What will it take here?

I've known people of all kinds of faiths in my life (yes, I do have a life, thank you!): I've even had some friends who were agnostic, along with an atheist or two. The kind of upbringing I had taught me respect for people, and that respect was, and continues to be, returned. The people I knew were not militant: we lived side-by-side.

Not so with cyberspace!

There are times when things become so ridiculous and so crude, it's more like the Jerry Springer show than a religion forum. (And, no, I do not make a practice of watching asinine TV. Tell me one of you out there does not know who he is!)

I know, when I enter a forum such as this one that I will be bombarded with insults, both to myself, my fellow Catholics and to my Faith; answering of questions with other, rhetorical questions (which more often than not, have nothing whatsoever to do with anything I personally have said); requests to account for everyone else's behavior, including people who have been dead for centuries! When all else fails, my style and choice of font are criticized, in the light of credibility in this forum. What nonsense!

I'm Roman Catholic; my Faith, Catholicism, is hated here. What credibility would I possibly obtain? Why would I want it? It would mean compromising what I believe. No one, least of all anonymous strangers on the other end of a computer server, is worth that to me.

Reading and memorizing the Bible and living what It says are two different things. Sharing one's faith and cramming Bible verses out of context (yes, Catholics are taught to study Scripture in context) down people's throats is another.

If this is truly about saving souls, prayer is the greatest help. Kindness; a sense of humor that does not need to be at another's expense; gentleness, not pressure; guidance, not pushing can help a soul to find the God we were each created to know, love, and serve.

Instead of Jerry Springer, how about "Family Feud" instead? We are all family, you know...

As always, God bless you, and may we all meet one day in Heaven!

397 posted on 01/31/2015 10:54:57 AM PST by Grateful2God (That those from diverse religious traditions and all people of good will may work together for peace)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Proposition:

If Jesus has not given us his true body and his true blood to be received in the sacrament of the Eucharist, then the Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah HAVE NOT BEEN FULFILLED.

You first. You make the proposition, but provide no Scriptural basis for it. Please provide a Scriptural foundation, not relying on Catholic tradition, for that idea, and then we can discuss it.

398 posted on 01/31/2015 12:12:01 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Elsie
It can mean; I'd suppose; 3 different things; depending on how someone classifies it.

Possibly. But in that case, you have to look at which meaning is in harmony with the rest of the Scripture. God is not going to have one part of His Word contradicting another part.

399 posted on 01/31/2015 12:13:51 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: metmom

Wow rules about the rules. I remember back when the cup was not offered to the laity. About the late 70s that changed and only for those over 18.


400 posted on 01/31/2015 12:54:30 PM PST by redleghunter (Your faith has saved you. Go in peace. (Luke 7:50))
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