Posted on 02/13/2015 10:04:31 AM PST by WXRGina
No he didn't. He was repeating hearsay from a supposed statement of Papias which itself is actually in question.
Thank you for being a voice for fides et ratio.
If you think the cares of this world are "much more dangerous" then our eternal destiny then you have much bigger problems then to worry about what is being said here.
“Not at all. It is Catholic teaching that we are saved by grace alone. Just as faith without works is dead so are works without faith useless.”
If we must be saved in order to be righteous, then righteousness cannot be a prerequisite for salvation, or none would attain it.
“We are not just imputed with righteousness but are infused with it through grace.”
Yes, I would agree with that, eventually. It can be a long process, it is not something that happens immediately.
“But, as the passages I quoted clearly show, we must cooperate with the grace of God to live holy lives.”
God is sovereign. To think that any mere man could thwart His will by not cooperating is, I think, edging close to blasphemy.
“27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
John 10:27-28
Nothing in there about them choosing to follow or cooperating, or not being plucked out unless they fail to do something. That statement is pretty absolute.
I love Psalm 119 and the great love that David had for the God's word, how he prayed for God to give him greater understanding of his word and how he searched the word for the truth.
vs. 11-12 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. Blessed art thou, O Lord: teach me thy statutes.”
vs.123-125 “Mine eyes fail for thy salvation, and for the word of thy righteousness. Deal with thy servant according unto thy mercy, and teach me thy statutes. I am thy servant; give me understanding, that I may know thy testimonies...
Vs. 139-140 “My zeal hath consumed me, because mine enemies have forgotten thy words. Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.”
We too can look to God's Holy Spirit to reveal his truth through his word.
John 16:13-15 “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.”
That's what the Bearean’s did. Acts 17:10-11 “And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” They did not accept Paul's interpretation out of hand instead the studied the scriptures daily to see if what he said matched the Book.
How great a gift to have access to the author to understand His Book. II Peter 1:20-21 “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
How very interesting! Can there be any doubt about the coming one world religion and the false prophet?
And your still left with a Jesus that sinned.
Righteousness is not a prerequisite for salvation but a component of it. This were Protestants misunderstand the Catholic position. We do not believe in salvation through works. Salvation is a pure grace but it is a grace with which we must cooperate.
God is sovereign. To think that any mere man could thwart His will by not cooperating is, I think, edging close to blasphemy.
I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live, by loving the LORD, your God, heeding his voice, and holding fast to him. (Deuteronomy 30:19-20)God is indeed sovereign but in his sovereignty he gave us free will as he made us in his image and likeness. The reason for this is, as Jesus tells us, that the greatest commandment is that we love him. Love, by its very nature, must be the act of a free will. If not, it would not be love but only instinct. Additionally, how could anyone be guilty of transgressing the will of God if that very act of transgression was imposed upon him by God?Because I called and you refused, I extended my hand and no one took notice. (Proverbs 1:24)
Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. (Romans 1:20-21)
No one experiencing temptation should say, 'I am being tempted by God'; for God is not subject to temptation to evil, and he himself tempts no one. Rather, each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. (James 1:13-15)
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I suspect you won’t be among those to bow the knee to Rome. Likewise here. I’ve read somewhere, the toes on Peter’s statue in Rome have worn away from so many bowing and kissing his feet. The real Peter rolls in his grave.
AMEN! This is what I have been pleading for to STOP for a long, long time now. We have much more bigger fish to fry then to worry about how we as Christians practice.
Thank-you for being a voice of reason and God Bless.
“We do not believe in salvation through works.”
Then why are you arguing for it? Saying we must cooperate means that works are involved, as cooperation itself is a work.
“God is indeed sovereign but in his sovereignty he gave us free will as he made us in his image and likeness. The reason for this is, as Jesus tells us, that the greatest commandment is that we love him. Love, by its very nature, must be the act of a free will. If not, it would not be love but only instinct.”
Yes, I agree that we have free will, but you must also consider that if we are not in a state of grace, our wills are not truly free, since they are enslaved to sin in our fallen state:
“5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.”
Romans 8:5-8
So we cannot, until we are saved, or “of the Spirit”, cooperate with God’s plan of salvation. For that would be pleasing God, which we cannot do, for our sinful natures are not inclined to do so. Once we are saved, yes, we are expected to cooperate, but that can’t be a prerequisite for salvation.
“Additionally, how could anyone be guilty of transgressing the will of God if that very act of transgression was imposed upon him by God?”
It isn’t imposed by God, that is heresy. We choose to sin because it is in our natures, God did not create us in that nature, nor did He force us to sin. Even if we sin as Christians, God cannot be blamed:
“17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.” Galatians 2:17-18
Sad isn't it? I'm fairly convinced by what history I've read that the statue was not originally of the apostle Peter but was of Simon Magus.
Jesus would have been sinning against the law against eating blood.
All those Catholic lurkers you mention need to do is to study up on the careers of men like Scott Hahn and Marcus Grodi. Hahn in particular started out very anti-Catholic and came around through his study of Scripture.
Wrong. You misunderstand the word itself -- "immolare" in Latin means "to sacrifice," not necessarily "to kill". It comes from the word "mola," meaning "(grain) meal". The Roman pagan priests sprinkled grain meal over their sacrifices, evidently.
Jesus is sacrificed in the Mass, but not re-sacrificed, and most certainly not "re-killed". That is not even possible.
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