Posted on 03/23/2015 2:14:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7
It's obvious to anyone with open eyes. Catholics give many of the attributes and glory due God alone. They claim they "venerate" her but don't realize what "venerate" is and what the word actually originally meant.
Venerate - from Latin veneratus, past participle of venerari "to reverence, worship"
You are not telling the entire story of Cana.
Then she said to the servants: “Do whatever he says.”
Those are her last words in the Bible. Do you do whatever her Son says?
HE told me to do what HE says, too
You seem to skip over who is more important
Ask yourself. Why not one word about Mary after Pentecost? Nothing about where she lived, where she died or anything. Not a word from either religious or secular writers until centuries later.
“Mary, for example, doesn’t need to handle “millions of prayers per second” (those are scare quotes, not direct quotes, BTW); she has all eternity in which to respond to them.”
Ha! So your concept of heaven is one where Mary is just eternally working her way through an “inbox” that is overflowing, with requests that God (being actually omniscient and omnipotent) could just take care of with no effort at all. I think that is even sillier.
Anyway, you didn’t actually address my point, since my point was about omniscience, not omnipotence. In order to hear prayers from all over the world, especially silent prayers that are made inside a person’s head, requires omniscience, which is one of the attributes of a deity. Saying that there is no time in heaven doesn’t address that difficulty with the Catholic position.
There's no "rushing" or "waiting", etc., in Heaven.Not IN heaven, that's true, but I've heard there's one heckuva "meet and greet" line wrapped thrice around the outside of heaven, packed full of protestants, just waiting, and waiting, and waiting, to see Our Lady.
Worship belongs to God alone.
Thank you.
no, Mary gave birth to several children according to the Bible
Mt 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Firstborn, meaning more than one
Mt 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, [his] mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Mt 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mt 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mt 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mt 12:50 For who soever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Here, Jesus rebuked the crowd, plainly saying that even though his siblings were present, that those who believed on Him were brothers, also, not just blood relations
The Apostle James is called the Lord’s Brother, family, blood brother
Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother.
I am a sinful man ... born again, yet sinful .. like Paul and Archelaus ...
And sinful men think sinful thoughts .... not goody two shoed, I lied four times, father ... thoughts .... but really, really sinful thoughts
And My comment was about the writer stating that thr rise and popularity of Mary emerged from the monastaries
Monastaries are places men go to be alone (hopefully) with God
Men ... sinful men trying to get away from their own sinfulness (which is impossible) CAN be (mis)directed to think on other things and perhaps .... PERHAPS ... Mary was the target for those impure thoughts and in order to cover their impurity, they exalted her above all humanity
I don't know
Who knows WHY Catholics exalt and reverence Mary as they do
MY comment was purely flesh speculation based on the author's stating the exaltation of Mary seemed to begin in the monastaries
Add your own sinful thoughts .... mariolotry is most obviously a wasted energy
No. No more than the Prom Queen can be said to have the power to legislate for your high school, or that coronation of the Erie County Strawberry Queen shows that Erie County is a monarchy.
You have to discern what kind of queen you're talking about.
In the case of Mary, it's strictly a relational thing: Christ her Son is King of Kings; that makes her Queen Mother by relationship alone. It does not indicate personal sovereignty.
It corresponds to an outstanding Biblical image:
"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head."
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just reams of information about her from both secular and religious writers of the first century right? LOL! That Catholic Church doesn’t even know where she was buried.
You don’t seem to think we’re going to amount to much when we’re glorified in heaven. It’s not just Mary, you see. It’s all who are In Christ. Thousands, millions, of every tribe, nation, language, tongue.
The word in English is ambiguous, and originally meant any kind of high honor. That's why some English judges are addressed as "Your Worship".
The word in Greek is not ambiguous. "Latreia" is the worship or honor due to God alone, and is not to be given to Mary or any other created being.
Maybe you should ... get this ... actually ask Catholics and allow for the possibility that they could answer you accurately, and in good faith?
We could start, for example, with a discussion of Luke 1:48.
The word thr author is looking for, is "Mariolatry." "Latria" is adoration.
The Catholic Church does not offer Mary "Latria" (LINK)
We give her "Hypedulia", which means, the highest honor given to a human person, which is entirely due to what God her Savior has done for Mary, a lowly handmaid.
Luke 1 should pretty much clear that up.
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