Posted on 03/23/2015 2:14:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7
Yes I have....catholics run from like roaches when the light is turned on.
No that is not the defination of Sola Scriptura"...but do not let a "little thing " like that get in the way..
The very word "Canon"means MEASURING ROD ..all things are to be measured against it
It is a known.. we all agree it is the word of God ..why would Rome be afraid to have its "doctrines" and teachings held up against it to be measured.. could be they know they will come up short
So you should reject it Luther’s human tradition.
But you don’t.
I agree with the teachings of Luther that can STAND when measured against the WORD OF GOD ...where they do not I do not agree
“If he won’t listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.” —Jesus, in the Bible
Go ahead and rationalize it.
Mat18: 15"If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16"But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17"If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.…
This is an ecclesiastical admonition ..READ IT ..this is not about doctrine it is about calling a brother to repentance ...and removing an unrepentant sinner from the church (excommunication) ..I worry about Rc's not being able to rightly divide the word of God
Some people's Mariology IS Mariolatry- they just can't/won't admit it.
Sigh!!!!
20 posted on 3/23/2015 5:54:32 PM by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
Mary is the Mother of God precisely because Jesus Christ, her Son, is God. And when Mary gave birth, she did not give birth to a nature, or even two natures; she gave birth to one, divine Person. To deny this essential truth of the faith, as the Council of Ephesus (A.D. 431) declared, is to cut oneself off from full communion with Christ and his Church.
For by grace you have been saved through faith and not that of yourselves; it is a gift of God and not as a result of works, lest any should boast. (Eph 2:8-9 NASB)
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. (Romans 5:10 NASB)
Guess Paul didn't get the memo we have to believe the Council of Ephesus.
Oh? You’re God now?
Oh iscool, now that's funny, right there! As if God's colossal power to interact in, with, and through His creatures, and facilitate their spiritual sharing of spiritual goods with each other, via their mutual membership in His Body, is comparable to, or even inferior to, communication via I-phone.
“No one has deified Mary.”
You pray to her, attribute her with vast supernatural powers, pray before statues of her, beg her for favors, thank her for providence, etc - all in great part with no reference to other deity.
How, objectively speaking, does this differ from “worship”? If I did that to, say, a large rectangular black rock in the middle of the desert, you’d be accusing me of worshiping it and/or whatever it represented.
“Without her “yes”, you would not have a Savior.”
God did not _ask_ her. She was _informed_ that she was _chosen_ and _would_ bear Christ. Wasn’t her choice.
A frying pan is not a chef just because it was chosen to make a fine meal with. Mary was a vessel to bear and a servant to raise Christ. I am not belittling her, just noting that she is not far more than what she plainly was. (FYI, I subscribe to very mundane interpretations of scriptural events. Considering that Christ Himself was born of a poor fiance in a manger, was raised as a lower-to-middle-class blue-collar carpenter, dressed & lived very humbly & simply, that his climactic entrance to the capital of Israel was on a borrowed donkey, preached extensively of simplistic living, etc etc, methinks the view is warranted.)
“the earliest image of Mary is a fresco ... that shows her nursing the infant Jesus on her lap.”
Uh...OK... Mary was Jesus’ mother, yes. That people long ago depicted the two together in a normal mother-and-child interaction proves nothing about Mariology.
The notion that Mary is imbued with supernatural greatness surpassed only by the Holy Trinity is the issue of this thread. The existence of mundane imagery depicting Biblical figures in mundane acts means little, even if it was in fine tombs. She is not nothing, but she certainly isn’t Queen Of Heaven on par with Jesus The Christ and just a step below God Himself.
“Situated in what was...”
The rest of your rant has nothing to do with the topic at hand, simply stating arbitrary indisputable objective historical facts.
That's how He gets all the glory.
One for your list.
Now Catholics are allowed their own personal interpretation of Scripture.
No, it is my response to your ignorant comment.
I assume nothing. The evidence is clear for everyone to see.
As I have told you before, thee are only two non-Catholics on these threads that are actually Christians so prot opinions are worth what we pay for them.
As I have told you before, thee are only two non-Catholics on these threads that are actually Christians so prot opinions are worth what we pay for them.
You'd better bump up your checking account then...
Yes, Catholics deify her, and calling her mother of GOD is a perfect example of them doing it.
God didn't ask her permission nor was His plan for salvation subject to her approval or assent.
Mary was told how it was going to be. Nobody asked her anything.
Then by necessity of your argument, you deny the humanity of Christ.
Your opinion is duly noted and dismssed, and laughed at hysterically.
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