**So first you say there was no proof they ran out of wine and now you’re saying that you said they ran out of wine. So when did you realize you were wrong?**
And you accused ME, a while back, of being poorly educated at public schools?
You quote THIS from me (from 682):
*The testamony by the governor of the feast indicates his appreciation of the better wine; nothing about going without for a bit.*
You take notice of that, and ingnore the rest of that paragraph:
*He said: “..thou hast kept the good wine until now.” He had apparently drank enough to expect some poorer wine by then.*
Then I said this (in post 693):
*Oh, I believe that the wedding had run out of wine, but that the governor makes no comment about that. Meaning that MAYBE he hadn’t caught on to the shortfall yet. Jesus Christ is never late.*
Did you even read this from my last post?
*I said that the governor was apparently unaware of that fact: “And he said unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men HAVE well drunk, THEN that which is WORSE: but thou HAST KEPT the good wine UNTIL NOW.” Jn 2:10*
I said the governor of the feast seemed to be unaware of the shortage. His own words show that to be the case.
“thou HAST KEPT the good wine UNTIL NOW.” The governor was in the dark.
You can assume that the wedding party was going to be horribly ashamed if they couldn’t find more wine and fast, and paint Mary as a heroine (your own words: **She interceded with Jesus.**) But, you also prove me to be a prophet, in how you dodged the my main focus; just as predicted:
I said: You just couldn’t resist using the word ‘with’, as though she was nearly equal in the rescue of the wedding feast. (now, you’ll probably focus on what I just said, and ignore what follows).
Which you basically did, responding with this blanket statement:
**The rest of what you posted seems like so much desperate footwork to avoid the inevitable anti-Catholic self-knockout.**
And then more non-answer with this:
**“[John] 2:3-5 Here is an example of Mary’s gift of intercession. Even now, Mary continually speaks to her Son on our behalf and is our preeminent intercessor before Hid throne.”**
So, you basically ignored the last half of my post, using the leftist style; where they accuse conservatives of intolerance, while ignoring facts.
Have you asked Abraham, or Moses, or David, or the centurion, to intercede for you? If not, why not?
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>> “Have you asked Abraham, or Moses, or David, or the centurion, to intercede for you? If not, why not?” <<
Excellent!
And here is the true answer:
Because none of them could possibly be twisted into a proxy for Easter, the ‘goddess’ of reproductive rights.
Pagan is as pagan does.
Some catholics here do demonstrate a modicum of understanding of how and why Yeshua died for the sins of men, but nevertheless, they still insist on injecting humanism between themselves and Yeshua.
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