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To: vladimir998

**Case closed. With that stunning comment of yours you render the rest of your post meaningless.**

Am I surprised of another classy statement, designed to avoid answering questions? Just like the one sided argument about whether you worship Allah or not. You seem to demand to ask the questions, but not answer any. The little or no use of scripture is always to your disadvantage. Yet, you appear to insist on maintaining that procedure.

**Ooooohhhh, you mean He responded to Mary’s intercession? You’re the one who just called her plea to Jesus about the wine a “prayer”.**

Call it intercession, or a request, or a panic attack, or whatever you want, I’m convinced that (since neither of us were present) neither of us REALLY know. She witnessed the situation to the ONE who ALREADY knew the situation. She had NO IDEA how Jesus would handle it. He RESPONDED to the NEED of them ALL. Just like the loaves and the fishes, I believe that Jesus made enough that there was wine for everybody, and some left over.

Yes, that is my presumption, Just like yours of painting the scenario in such a way that Mary was ONLY concerned for keeping the wedding hosts from losing face. And from that basis, even today you pray to her (A LOT!), who is asleep in Christ, and give her titles that are not at all scriptural.

Jesus’ response to her was well worded, as he knew in the future, goddess worshippering people would be elevating Mary in a mix of Christianity and paganism.

His properly worded reply to her (would you say it wasn’t?) was not much more respectful than the one he made to the woman of Canaan (Matt. 15:21-28. By the way, do you pray to the ‘woman from Canaan’?). The reason is this: God is no respecter of persons.

To Mary: “Woman, what have I to do with thee? Mine hour is not yet come.”
To the woman from Canaan: “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel”. Matt. 15:24

**That’s another error of yours right there. Go back and check the posts.**

List them. USE scripture to prove your judgement. Otherwise you are just making presumptions and unsubstantiated claims.

(now switching gears)

HE IS RISEN!!!! PRAISE GOD!!!!


802 posted on 04/05/2015 8:34:10 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel

“Am I surprised of another classy statement, designed to avoid answering questions?”

Your questions were completely irrelevant. Here, I’ll show you. I will respond to most of your irrelevant questions with questions that show they are irrelevant in their very form. Here are your questions:

Question 1: The Nonsensical:

1) “So, If you die tomorrow, and a police officer is planning on giving me a traffic ticket, are you saying that you can STILL help me out?”

My response: Are you saying prayers before God can’t help with something mundane?

Questions 2-4: Your apparent dodge when you got caught out about misrepresenting what “with” means:

2) “And that’s one of the word power means to help build Mary up in importance. Did the centurion intercede with Jesus to heal his servant?”

My response: Are you saying he didn’t? Luke 7:3.

3) “Did Abraham intercede with God to spare Lot?”

My Response: Did you read Genesis 18:22-19:29?

4) “Did Moses intercede with God to spare Israel from being consumed by God’s wrath?”

My response: Did you read Deuteronomy 9 and Exodus 32? Are you saying Moses didn’t intercede?

“To me, it is all under this category: Let your requests be made known unto God.”

It doesn’t matter what categories you invent. Nothing you say or invent changes what is.

Question 5: The Question which shows a lack of knowledge to say the least:

“But you guys are basically joined at the hip anyway, right?”

Nope.

So there. I posted a response to every one of your meaningless questions I originally skipped over in that last part of your post and you know what? Your questions were meaningless just like I said they were. They are all useless, silly questions. Some are sheer repetition. Some have nothing to do with what we’re even talking about or are irrelevant to the import of what we were talking about. Like I said, the rest of your post was meaningless. This proves it.

“Call it intercession, or a request, or a panic attack, or whatever you want”

YOU called it a prayer. Now you’ll have to live with it.

“List them.”

No. Read the posts.

“USE scripture to prove your judgement.”

I used more scripture in this post than you used in your last post. And, unlike you did earlier on, I actually used verses that actually worked with the issue at hand.

“Otherwise you are just making presumptions and unsubstantiated claims.”

Just remember, YOU said Mary’s intercession was a PRAYER.

Have a great Easter (knowing Mary’s intercession was a PRAYER according to your own words).


804 posted on 04/05/2015 8:56:35 AM PDT by vladimir998
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