Laudato Si: The Prayer Of The Freemason

Vox Cantoris Blog via Mundabor's Blog ^ | June 19, 2015 | Mundabor

[ronnietherocket3]

So? Do you believe in two gods? If not, why separate prayers?

How is publishing two prayers proof of belief in multiple gods? The second prayer is explicitly Christian. The first prayer was written so that it could be prayed with non-Christians. Humans are not robots that you can just walk up to, dump a description of truth on them, and expect them to accept it instantly without question. Instead you have to draw them closer and into Christianity. The first prayer focuses on a specific description of the first person of the Trinity, God the Father, who is described by the Apostolic Creed as the Creator of Heaven and Earth.

[ebb tide]

The Hail Mary and Hail Holy Queen only name one and are principally focused at Jesus' Mother.

So, so wrong: "The Lord is with Thee"; "Mother of God". Two Persons of the Blessed Trinity mentioned.

Almighty, everlasting God, who by the co-operation of the Holy Spirit didst prepare the body and soul of the glorious Virgin-Mother Mary to become a dwelling-place meet for thy Son: grant that as we rejoice in her commemoration; so by her fervent intercession we may be delivered from present evils and from everlasting death. Through the same Christ our Lord. Amen.

All three Persons of the Holy Trinity mentioned.

[ebb tide]

John Wayne died a Catholic. You need not worry about him.

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Did Jesus Christ teach different prayers to the Jews than to the Gentiles?

Did His Apostles?

Did any popes, until Humble Jorge came along, teach different strokes for different folks?

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The first prayer was written so that it could be prayed with non-Christians.

Really?

Council of Laodicea, 390 AD: “Canon 33. No one shall pray in common with heretics and schismatics.

[BlatherNaut]

What's wrong with asking non-Christians to pray to God the Creator as they understand Him?

Fosters religious indifferentism (a condemned heresy) from the top down.

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The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita

"...The secret papers of the Alta Vendita that fell into the hands of Pope Gregory XVI embrace a period that goes from 1820 to 1846. They were published at the request of Pope Pus IX by Cretineau-Joly in his work The Roman Church and Revolution.(4)..."

[TheThirdRuffian]

It’s a fraternity. Not a religion.

[MDLION]

“Francis is secular through and through.”

Not true. He constantly speaks of the Devil. He’s a mystic with a tender devotion to the Blessed Virgin. He publicly kisses the cross during Lent and the Baby Jesus during Christmas.

As for “environ-mental”, 80% of the water in India is significantly effected by sewage. People in some Chinese cities wear masks outside because of the thick smog and pollution as respiratory illnesses and cancers spike there. I don’t go with the full Al Gore environmentalist agenda but to say there is not an issue with pollution stemming from materialistic greed hurting the poor in a number of countries is not reality.

[ebb tide]

He publicly kisses the cross during Lent and the Baby Jesus during Christmas.

Don't kid yourself. He hides the crucifix, pending his audience.

[piusv]

More “fruits” of Vatican II: Catholics asking why it is a problem for the Pope to request non-Catholics to pray in their false religion.

[Redleg Duke]

Fascinating how these hypocrites, speaking in the tongue of Imperial Rome, that worshiped a pantheon of pagan gods, and giving themselves handles in the same tongue of the pagans, criticizes men who believe in God!

And while in a thread about their messenger from God on Earth, who sounds even more pagan, worshiping Gia!

[piusv]

And pre-Vatican II freemasons were excommunicated, not elected to the papacy.

[ronnietherocket3]

So, so wrong: "The Lord is with Thee"; "Mother of God". Two Persons of the Blessed Trinity mentioned.

In Mother of God, it is a reference to Jesus. Jesus is the only person of the Trinity that Mary is the mother of. As for the Lord, Jesus is Our Lord.

Council of Laodicea, 390 AD: “Canon 33. No one shall pray in common with heretics and schismatics.

Non-christians are neither heretics nor schismatics (nor apostates for that matter).

Did Jesus Christ teach different prayers to the Jews than to the Gentiles? Did His Apostles?

This statement is near impossible to accurately measure one way or the other. We only have a record of a few instances of direct evangelization by a handful of Apostles (by themselves).

Did any popes, until Humble Jorge came along, teach different strokes for different folks?

Pope Francis published a prayer specifically designed to be prayed with non-Christians. This is not teaching different strokes for different folks. While on that topic, the Catholic Church does permit Eastern Catholic to have a different liturgy from Western Catholics and even permits the bishops, priests and deacons to discourage Eastern Catholics from praying the Rosary.

[ronnietherocket3]

If you look at the 1st picture carefully, you will notice the shadow of a cross in the background on the right. However, if you look even more closely, you will notice there is a Jew next to him. Jews have spent the last 2000 years under the threat of persecution by self-proclaimed followers of Christ.

[ebb tide]

I know there’s a Jew next to him. Why do you think Francis hid his crucifix?

[piusv]

Council of Laodicea, 390 AD: “Canon 33. No one shall pray in common with heretics and schismatics.

"Non-christians are neither heretics nor schismatics (nor apostates for that matter)."

So, you're saying that praying with those who don't even believe in Christ's divinity, Jews and Muslims, is aok?

[piusv]

I think he’s trying to say that it offends the Jews and therefore there is nothing wrong with hiding the crucifix. In fact, it’s a GOOD thing!

[ebb tide]

“Fr. D. Prummer OP, writing in 1910, affirms in his Manuale Theologiæ Moralis that it is never licit for a Catholic to take part in a non-Catholic cult with the intention of worshipping God in the manner of non-Catholics, more acatholicorum. Such an act, he declares, is nothing other than a denial of the Catholic faith.”

‘[the] Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics.’ Mortalium Animos